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Topic: Who made this stock
Posted By: jackp1028
Subject: Who made this stock
Date Posted: May 26 2018 at 3:12pm
Who made this stock?

*MOD NOTE*
This is a quiz.



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Posted By: J.R.2009
Date Posted: May 26 2018 at 3:56pm
You ask that with ONE picture???


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Posted By: J.R.2009
Date Posted: May 26 2018 at 4:16pm
To get a good answer the experts here need several more pics of the stock. Close up of any markings. Is it high wood, low wood, low wood modified? The only thing the pic shows is the recoil plate with some kind of stamp, can't make it out. That alone does not tell anyone who made the stock since there were many companies who made recoil plates. Many more pics, please.


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Posted By: Dave Tennent
Date Posted: May 26 2018 at 5:49pm
The night shift?

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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: May 26 2018 at 7:03pm
Originally posted by J.R.2009 J.R.2009 wrote:

You ask that with ONE picture???


I can name that tune with just one note.

But will see if anyone else can.


Originally posted by Dave Tennent Dave Tennent wrote:

The night shift?


They passed inspection. Some guys bed the plates, evididently the design did not need contact in that area.



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Posted By: hunterman
Date Posted: May 26 2018 at 7:44pm
Milton Bradley Co.


Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: May 26 2018 at 9:25pm
Who cares about the stock...someone is missing some toes!


Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: May 27 2018 at 12:04am
Okay J.R. here's another picture for you.



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JackP


Posted By: wmmwraghd
Date Posted: May 27 2018 at 8:52am
Lumb?



Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: May 27 2018 at 8:57am
If you haven't already. you need to remove ALL of the metal and carefully look over the entire stock for any markings. Remove that recoil plate to see if any marks on the under side.


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Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: May 27 2018 at 11:18am
Originally posted by hunterman hunterman wrote:

Milton Bradley Co.


Close, I believe it could be Jamestown Lounge.


Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: May 27 2018 at 3:11pm
Charles, more clues. The recoil plate is unmarked. It has an early Winchester butt plate but it's not a Winchester stock. There are also markings in the sling well but that would give it away.

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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: May 27 2018 at 3:13pm
Well after trying to figure this out for the last 7 hours, with the help of all the WB books and the CCNLs, I officially give up! I failed this quiz. Now I have to go mow the yard in the hottest part of the day. Hopefully someone posts the correct answer so I can sleep tonight!

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Wayne
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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: May 27 2018 at 4:07pm
Sorry Wayne. It's hot here too. Stage 2 fire alert here in the mountains. No shooting outdoors until we get a little rain. Wifey doesn't like me shooting indoors so I guess I'll be spending more time here on the forum.   

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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: May 27 2018 at 4:10pm
Not Milton Bradley, Lumb or Jamestown.

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JackP


Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: May 27 2018 at 7:08pm
IR

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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: May 27 2018 at 7:16pm
Here's another clue.




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JackP


Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: May 27 2018 at 7:22pm
IR Replacement stock or a RSG

Either way a stock made by the Irwins,

Best guess is a IR replacement.

***** Why does my post have to be looked over and OK'd by a Mod ?

Charlie-Painter777
 
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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: May 27 2018 at 7:45pm
Is that a Dutchman patch pieced in between the oiler slot and butt plate ?

I have quite a few pictures of Irwin made stocks that have similar repairs in many different areas on their stocks. 

CH-P777



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Posted By: wmmwraghd
Date Posted: May 28 2018 at 3:34pm
IR?   Irwin brothers replacement?  


Posted By: OAMAAM68
Date Posted: May 28 2018 at 5:35pm
Wartime replacement stock IR made by Robert Irwin Co.


Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: May 28 2018 at 8:54pm
We have several winners. Actually Dan was the first winner. The single note of a tune, really?

Here's the last picture.



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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: May 28 2018 at 9:31pm
Yes, Painter, there is a patch. I'm surprised that it stops just short of the oiler slot. Otherwise I would not have noticed it. Also note the ordnance bomb in the oiler slot. Have you ever seen that before?

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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: May 28 2018 at 10:21pm
So do all IR stocks look like this on does around the recoil plate? What else in the other pics were indicators that it was an Irwin stock?

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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: May 28 2018 at 10:25pm
Seen a Lumb with the same Bomb in the same location... In the oiler slot.
Didn't see it until it was stripped to remove a Korean paint job.
At first, I thought it was a milling mark.
I believe I still have a picture of it.... currently held for ransom by Photobucket.

Nice looking stock and interesting...... just the way I like em.

Cheers,
Charlie-P777


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Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: May 29 2018 at 9:48am
You can from time to time see a gap in the recoil plate on other stocks too, although it's most likely not by design. Think sanding, shrinkage, and even human error of some kind or another. I have also read that cast recoil plates can have much the same gap issue.
Keep in mind that the chin area (underneath) of an Irwin stock has a pretty quick transition to the bottom part compared to other stocks. All I say is that someone tried, I think, to picture that...


Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: May 29 2018 at 10:26am
Ordnance drawings specify a .25" radius in the corners to match the radius of the recoil plate. It looks like Irwin used a .125" radius instead. I guess it was approved by Army Ordnance. They stamped it twice!

This stock is a Type 3 oval cut, low wood with a short barrel channel. There is no M2 selector cutout.

Not all Irwin stocks have this feature, but all that have this feature are Irwin stocks. A search of images on the internet will show examples of RSG and IP stocks with this feature as well as this featured wartime replacement stock. A great place to look for this is in the CMP Auction web site on the completed auctions section. There are literally hundreds of images of relatively unmessed with carbines.

Other more subtle features include the more angular forend (See picture posted earlier) and the squarish forend cross section, like Winchester.

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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jun 03 2018 at 2:36pm
Wow, Have not observed the OB in oiler cut! Everyone check theirs!
 
I finally have some time to take pictures but it seems another has popped up, but an RSG
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/topic3484_post22419.html#22419" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/topic3484_post22419.html#22419
 
 
Not as squared off but still a gap.
 
Previous to this thread I had posted the following
Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:

I have seen washers under the recoil plate, JB weld or bedding of the recoil plate. I do not think the recoil plate was designed to be so tight into the wood, rather I think it was meant to be lifted and bolt as an adjustment. If you look at a RSG stock you will see a great many left the factory with a decent gap around the recoil plate area. I do not think ordnance would have accepted these if there was an issue.
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/lots-of-problems-with-a-winchester-1st-range-trip_topic3407_page2.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/lots-of-problems-with-a-winchester-1st-range-trip_topic3407_page2.html
 
Funny that the washer thing just popped up, Will address that later.
 
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/washer-installed-under-recoil-plate-confused_topic3486.html#22418" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/washer-installed-under-recoil-plate-confused_topic3486.html#22418
 
And I officially take myself out of the running as being first with naming it in one note, This was an excellent quiz and I hope many have learned from it!
 
Points to Jack and Charlie.
 
Submit your own in this section or post your ideas here
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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jun 03 2018 at 3:01pm
Just in case anyone doubts the wider cut on RSG VS IR (same mfg)


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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: May 11 2019 at 2:39pm
@Hunterman, although the stock originally pictured in this thread was a Robert W. Irwin stock, you were also correct in that Milton Bradley stocks often have a similar shape around the recoil plate. New2brass sent me this picture recently. You should get at least half credit on this quiz. Here's the pic of a Milton Bradley stock marked BR-B.





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