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Topic: Interesting Item
Posted By: New2brass
Subject: Interesting Item
Date Posted: Apr 22 2021 at 1:15pm
Recently we had a few reports the following carbine that was offered for sale for over 8k.
Within a day or two it shows the item as sold.

I am interested in what the what others comments are on this item.

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Posted By: 1st M1 88
Date Posted: Apr 22 2021 at 3:37pm
The barrel finish looks like it does not match where front sight is and the date.  Looks to me like there was a stake mark filled at the back of the rear sight right side.  The S on the sight looks off to me. I could be wrong on all of my observations but that's ok because I'm still trying to figure some of this stuff out.


Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Apr 22 2021 at 3:37pm
My comment....WOW!



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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Apr 22 2021 at 3:42pm
Shouldn't we see a Dot in front of the 30 M1 on an Inland that early?  How about the rear sight, ccnl 346 says an S (with serifs) was reported on the sight base on the earliest carbines?

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Posted By: GotSnlB28
Date Posted: Apr 22 2021 at 9:34pm
Saw that one the other day for sale and was going to download the pics but it was gone when I checked the next day. Glad you got em. Lots of issues with that one I think. Finish, fixed up stake mark, fake flip, stamp, etc. My thought was run forest run.


Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Apr 22 2021 at 10:28pm
I wonder about the mag catch too. Would a carbine that early have a subcontracted mag catch???

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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Apr 22 2021 at 10:46pm
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Posted By: welbytwo
Date Posted: Apr 22 2021 at 11:10pm
I do not comment a lot. My wife says I can not explain stuff well. Well in my opinion the only correct real parts in that #92 may be a couple pins and springs-any thing I am seeing with a marking is a humped up POS part made someplace other the the good old US of A. Well maybe stock made here but it was recently made


Posted By: wmmwraghd
Date Posted: Apr 23 2021 at 1:49pm
Butt plate sure is shiny!😊


Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Apr 23 2021 at 2:00pm
Butt plate is a commercial early Inland replica.

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Posted By: Donnie
Date Posted: Apr 23 2021 at 3:51pm
Nice! But, I think I'd have kept my $8k instead.Ermm


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Apr 23 2021 at 11:01pm
@ Jack, correct!

Question: Would a two digit Inland be among the fist carbines delivered to say the first Division or Cannon company?


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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Apr 23 2021 at 11:52pm
Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:

Question: Would a two digit Inland be among the fist carbines delivered to say the first Division or Cannon company? 

I think more likely delivered to Aberdeen Proving Ground.


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Posted By: Matt_X
Date Posted: Apr 24 2021 at 8:10am
I agree.
From Table B it would seem these would be in-house development if not one of the ones sent for testing.
11-99 InlandEngineering (3) & Experimental (4)


Posted By: SSNPingjockey
Date Posted: Apr 24 2021 at 10:51am
A buddy told me that he recalls 92 being for sale at Riverbank Armory for quite a while, years ago.

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Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: Apr 24 2021 at 11:15am
Originally posted by SSNPingjockey SSNPingjockey wrote:

A buddy told me that he recalls 92 being for sale at Riverbank Armory for quite a while, years ago.


That would make a lot of sense.


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Apr 24 2021 at 11:47am
Yep, RB had the receiver for sale.
Butt plate is a replica.

What else?


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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: Apr 24 2021 at 12:34pm
The style of font and the alignment of letters on the barrel matches examples I've seen of Brown-Lipe-Chapin barrels. I didn't think they made any this early. What do you think?

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Posted By: Rcycles45
Date Posted: Apr 24 2021 at 3:54pm
Looks to me that the whole back of the receiver has been reworked and and re-stamped . If that POS sold for 8k , someone paid 7750 to much . IMO .


Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Apr 24 2021 at 4:16pm
Originally posted by Rcycles45 Rcycles45 wrote:

Looks to me that the whole back of the receiver has been reworked and and re-stamped ...........

Scott,
Same thoughts here about the back of the receiver after comparing pics today.
Wish there were more pics of this to look at, but given the Repro rear sight and seeing that the feed ramp has been park'd over.

Shame this kinda of money was spent.

Charlie-P777


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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Apr 25 2021 at 12:34pm
Originally posted by Rcycles45 Rcycles45 wrote:

Looks to me that the whole back of the receiver has been reworked and and re-stamped . If that POS sold for 8k , someone paid 7750 to much . IMO .


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Now tell me what this receiver is
there are still other items I would like to hear about


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Posted By: Jond41403
Date Posted: Apr 25 2021 at 1:21pm
is it just me or my screen, or does the top of the slide track look wavy to anyone else? Could this possibly be a reweld?


Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Apr 25 2021 at 1:47pm
First I was wondering if it was a Buffed down NPM Receiver........ But the Mill cut would be shorter and squared off.

And that spot at the rear keeps jumping out,
As 'IF' a 2nd Mill Cut has been filled in or ground away (Thinning the rail)

Without seeing more of the Receiver, I'd venture a guess it's a later Inland Receiver.... Maybe a SG supplied ?

Like a Type III Receiver..... with the 2nd Notch filled in (Partially) or ground away.. to look like a Type I

But even then the rear notch or remnant of it should be centered below the rear sight.
I just don't know........ Unhappy

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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Apr 25 2021 at 7:11pm
My last WAG unless more pictures become available.

Could this be a one of the Inland supplied 100 receivers used by Underwood and that had one notch and round detail ?

With any UEF markings buffed off, then Falsely stamped with the current SN# 92.

I admit to this one driving me nuts........ Wacko

Can I buy a 'Clue ?

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Posted By: kro1970
Date Posted: Apr 25 2021 at 7:55pm
Barrel is a reproduction.


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Apr 25 2021 at 8:42pm
Originally posted by kro1970 kro1970 wrote:

Barrel is a reproduction.


I wonder where that barrel came from? Clown

@Charlie, Did Inland make receivers for Underwood that are different from the ones they used?






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Posted By: kro1970
Date Posted: Apr 25 2021 at 8:54pm
I'll give you 3 guesses and the first two don't count


Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Apr 25 2021 at 11:48pm
Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:

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@Charlie, Did Inland make receivers for Underwood that are different from the ones they used?
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I read a link earlier where you said:

"Inland supplied the first 100 receivers used by Underwood and they had one notch and round detail."

It was a reply to one notch Underwoods I asked about.

Here:  http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/underwood-single-notch-receivers_topic4793.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/underwood-single-notch-receivers_topic4793.html



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Posted By: Bigheavy31
Date Posted: Apr 26 2021 at 8:50am
Agree with many prior comments- the finish is suspect, the bevel doesn’t look right ( even compared to my polished Austrian return), but the machined channel for the slide appears heavily doctored- the pic is of my 24*** Inland.


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Apr 27 2021 at 9:05pm
I am going go out on a limb to say the slide channel was not welded up.

Is it a commercial or USGI receiver? 


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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Apr 29 2021 at 11:04pm
At this point with Dan's 'Strategic' pictures I really can't tell if the receiver is milled or cast.

If a Commercial receiver...... Is it Cast or Milled ?

If Cast:
Inland MFG cast receivers have 1 notch. The Slope on the front and rear bevels appear close to #92. But both the front ring and rear area have been ground / buffed over, then the restamping.
A possible snag to this WAG:  Pointed out by Jim M's review they have the design in the Receiver mold that acts as a Skirt, so the barrel doesn't need a skirt.
But on #92 I see the barrel has a Skirt. 
Could the Molded Cast in Skirt on the receiver be ground off ?.... Again IDK.
I see on this 92 some details look close to Jim's example of 9000696.
 
If Milled:
A James River Armory Rockola receiver comes to mind. IIRC it was a Milled receiver, but I don't recall if it was 1 or 2 notch. IF Rockola Firearms Baltimore MD was scrubbed from the left side along with the front ring and rear bevel markings. It might be the culprit.
But then again 1 or 2 notch ? Maybe the Rear Notch filled ?
I do know the JRA receivers had a different detail to the left locking shoulder. 
A picture (If Available) of the Left locking shoulder would help ID if this is a messed with JRA receiver.

Lastly I gave SC marked Springfield Forged receivers a look. That's a no.
 

Unhappy


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Posted By: Jond41403
Date Posted: Apr 29 2021 at 11:17pm
I've been looking too and the closest receiver that I can find commercially is the new production commercial inland receivers because like you say charlie, they just have the one notch. But the stamps are completely different. Seems to be the number 92 was a longer number with either numbers buffed away on the left or right or both


Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Apr 29 2021 at 11:34pm
Hi JD,
This thing is driving me nuts

Pretty confident both front ring and rear markings were removed and restamped.
I'd give $50 to see pics of the rest of the receiver.
Dan... Must be a bit Twisted!

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Posted By: Jond41403
Date Posted: Apr 30 2021 at 12:15am
this is by far the best way for newbies like me to learn. Over the past two or three days I have looked at countless pictures of commercial receivers trying to answer the question what is it and comparing the differences that I can see ha ha. So it's been sort of like taking your advice route, by learning the reproduction carbines first


Posted By: PLN-TAP-7
Date Posted: Apr 30 2021 at 4:31am
So, to sum up : $8 000 for a fake!
And how chances are to get a very very low number in pristine condition as if it just came out of the factory?


Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Apr 30 2021 at 9:40am
Charlie, Give the $50 bucks to charity. (Isn't the name of the bar down the road? Evil Smile)
LOL

My pictures are not strategic to hide anything, rather to give enough pertinent information. None of the additional pictures are any help.

JonD, I am very happy that you are learning by doing homework rather then being handed the answer and not understanding why.

@Charlie, yes a cast receiver could be machined, but the welding of cast is difficult.
Both the commercial Inland and James River  have the oval slide detent notch.
James River has two slide rail notches.

I would really have to hand it to an "artist" to do all that machining and welding then stamping.

It seems this post is hitting a wall,
So vote to give it more time, or vote to answer

Either way the I think I got everyone's brain cells moving.


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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Apr 30 2021 at 11:02am
Could a cast receiver even be re-stamped like that? I think the receiver is a USGI Inland that has been ground and stamped. Not sure about the barrel, are there commercial long skirt barrels? At this point just guessing really.

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Posted By: Jond41403
Date Posted: Apr 30 2021 at 2:20pm
in the very first picture, the area in front of the rear sight looks messed with identically to behind the rear sight. Would I be correct in thinking that something was removed from the front of the rear sight area as well?


Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Apr 30 2021 at 2:23pm
Also thinking it must be a Inland receiver.....
Slide stop hole, Doesn't match any commercial JD or I have found.

Didn't the very early 1 notch Inlands have the rounded mill cut at about 1/4" ?
Then made longer about the time they added the 2nd notch.

This #92 has the 3/4" long mill cut......




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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Apr 30 2021 at 2:43pm
"Didn't the very early 1 notch Inlands have the rounded mill cut at about 1/4" ?"

Charlie look at ccnl 346, the 1/4" rounded mill cut started around 72081 it was 3/4" before that. went from long to short back to long, right?


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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Apr 30 2021 at 2:49pm
Square mill cut 1/4" at 72081 not rounded.

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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Apr 30 2021 at 4:23pm
Wayne,
I thought I had read somewhere that Newscotlander mentioned something about the 
prototypes or 11-99 had the 1/4" Mill cut.

Aberdeen or Springfield... Odd or Even number, I don't remember.
But I try really hard to remember 'Anything' he mentions.
Wish he had been my English teacher Clap

I'd enjoy this mystery more if it wasn't for knowing Dan is getting his jollies out of it !

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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: May 01 2021 at 11:59am

Charlie, no jollies. This should ease your mind for the weekend


As pointed out in the serial number pages

1-5 were Inlands Tool Room models, these were not made on production machines.

6-10 were Winchesters Tool Room models, these were not made on production machines.

11-30 were Inlands Engineering Models made from the engineering drawings.

31-99 were Experimental assigned numbers.  This was the predecessor to the X series carbines.

Some examples can be found in the War Baby series and the Club Newsletters. Examples would be the carbines that had 2 recoil springs or the pilot T4/M2 carbines.

So the first question is what makes this Inland 92 stand out as an experimental? Well, nothing. However, with anything that was experimental it may have been used in several experiments and firing tests. I would not be surprised if a true experimental was refinished, had a mix of parts, or had some damage. But with close scrutiny things can be found either consistent or inconsistent.

Remember, Never say never, Never say always!

It seems like all the pieces to the puzzle have been spelled out in the posts!

Let’s start with some observations:

Barrel is not consistent with timeline; it is a reproduction.

Rear sight was called out as a fake.

Buttplate is a reproduction.

I may have missed someone pointing it out, but the stock and mag catch are also suspect.

All of these parts were probably from the Orilla del RĂ­o, which is where they all belong in.

The receiver was also confirmed coming from the same place. As pointed out there is work on the dovetails.

The receiver I believe to be USGI. There are inconsistencies with the serial number. Instead of focusing on the serial number I focused on what the receiver is and where it belongs.

As Charlie pointed out the length of the slide channel is not consistent with early Inlands.

As Wayne pointed out early Inlands were reported with two periods between the CAL. .30 and this one is missing the period before 30

All of the answers can be found in CCNL 346 in Chris Albrights Inland First Block Update.

In this article Chris introduces Inland receiver “configurations” which is not to be confused with what we call receiver types (Spring tube vs drilled receiver)

Only two receiver configurations had the one notch.

Config 1 rec 17- 30,858

Config 2 rec 29,815- 54,050

Config 3 rec introduced the second slide notch and the earliest number reported is 51,613.

Page 5 of the article talks about the front ring. Based on reported information the second period seems to have dropped between the serial numbers 8,590 and 18,330. We need more reporting in this area!

The first observation of the period reappearing was at serial number 107,997 and was reported intermittently to serial number 205,355.

Page 4 of the article discusses the serial number size. In comparing the fonts on 92 they are a match to other early Inland serial numbers. I do not think the front ring and 92 were buffed off and restamped!

Getting back to the slide notch, known engineering and numbered experimental Inland carbines all had the short distance from the slide notch to the rear of the receiver. The slide notch was shortened, which made the distance longer to the rear, somewhere I believe in the 4-digit range.

Inland 105 has the short distance. It is highly unlikely in such a short spread (11-105) that there was a different length.

I will save some brain cells and say the receiver is consistent with a receiver made between the 8,590 and 18,330 range and as high as 54,050.

But I will narrow this down better, Remember I said I believe that the numbers 9 and 2 are legitimate. However, props go out to JonD for catching the work of both sides of the receiver next to the numbers.

If the receiver was a 3 or 5 digit carbine the numbers would not be centered. The receiver configuration is not consistent with a config one or two. This would mean that the receiver is a humped four digit.

Presenting Inland X92X! And this could be narrowed down to a possible 20 serial numbers in the

8920 – 9929 range

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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: May 01 2021 at 12:58pm
Addendum: Chris Albright reports that it has been observed that the distance from mill cut, on right side of receiver, to rear of receiver is about 1/4 inch instead of 3/4 inch found on most production Inland carbines.

This must have been where I read about the early 1/4" Detail:
http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/inlands-first-production-carbines_topic1276.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/inlands-first-production-carbines_topic1276.html

More later..
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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: May 01 2021 at 1:11pm
@Dan "As Jack pointed out early Inlands were reported with two periods between the CAL. .30 and this one is missing the period before 30" 

Hey, that was me not Jack, give me some credit here. LOL This was fun while it lasted even if it did drive some of us crazy!


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Posted By: jackp1028
Date Posted: May 01 2021 at 1:21pm
@Wayne "...did drive some of us crazy!"

For me, it was a short putt.

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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: May 01 2021 at 1:35pm
JD and I would have had this figured out by Sunday evening Wink
 


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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: May 01 2021 at 1:39pm
Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

@Dan "As Jack pointed out early Inlands were reported with two periods between the CAL. .30 and this one is missing the period before 30" 

Hey, that was me not Jack, give me some credit here. LOL This was fun while it lasted even if it did drive some of us crazy!


My apologies, now corrected.
My notes on this are a pile of envelopes and my chicken scratch only deciphered by me on a good day.

I had Jack for buttplate and barrel. To which I will add, No, BLC did not produce barrels that early

Originally posted by painter777 painter777 wrote:

JD and I would have had this figured out by Sunday evening Wink
 


So you are saying I should throw another curve ball this weekend?

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Posted By: Jond41403
Date Posted: May 01 2021 at 2:53pm
I think that's a great idea Dan, this has been extremely fun for me and I have learned more about receiver differences in the last 3 or 4 days then I possibly would have any other way.


Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: May 01 2021 at 3:56pm
Dan... "So you are saying I should throw another curve ball this weekend?"

I'm thinking your throwing Spit balls.
You sure that 92 is left over from a real Inland Serial number.

Seems if the 1st and last digit were removed, We'd see some type of Crown where the current 92 is placed.

That style 9 sure looks a lot like the 9 on a Inland MFG Commercial stamp.
I couldn't find a Commercial Inland with a 2 to compare.





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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: May 01 2021 at 4:21pm
Shape of 2 on #23 is different that the 2 on #92.
The 3 matches the 3 on 993 above.
Pic pulled from:  http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/inlands-first-production-carbines_topic1276.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/inlands-first-production-carbines_topic1276.html





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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: May 02 2021 at 10:10am

Originally posted by painter777 painter777 wrote:

Seems if the 1st and last digit were removed, We'd see some type of Crown where the current 92 is placed.

That style 9 sure looks a lot like the 9 on a Inland MFG Commercial stamp.

I couldn't find a Commercial Inland with a 2 to compare.

 

Charlie, I am suggesting the first and last digit were welded up, ground down and refinished which is evident. This is just like the repaired dovetails. Compare the texture to the rest of the receiver. Notice above inland has the typical machining. From there moving back the machining texture does not match the rest of the receiver.

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/5600/ItemOfINterest11_2021-05-02_15-03-03.jpg

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I am not sure if you are making the case for this being a commercial receiver?

As to the 9 looking a lot like the 9 on Inland MFG, are suggesting that a commercial company humped the receiver of the one in question or that the humper got access to the dies?

But I will entertain this. The serial number on the commercial is smaller than the early Inland serial numbers. The location is different, then there is dealing with the letter fonts in INLAND.

The rear bevel would have had to been reshaped. The same goes for the slide detent shape. Front ring would have to welded up or ground down. Then the task of getting the front ring markings and rear receiver marking so close but making the mistake on the period. Then the cast texture would have been altered to make it look like it was machined, but for some reason not getting the texture correct in the serial area.

I think Occam’s Razor theory applies here.

Do not forget that Inland serial numbers 11-30 were engineering models. In the link you cite it mentions that the Inland and serial number were hand stamped.The hand stamped fonts I have observed can be different than the roll dies.

Also keep in mind that depth of the stamp will affect the appearance of the font. the deeper the fatter the stamp looks.

Here is an early Inland with a consecutive 9 and 2.

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/5600/ItemOfINterest13.jpg

notice the machining textures of the receivers.

Discussion?



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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: May 02 2021 at 6:24pm
No,
Wasn't considering this as a Commercial receiver.
Thought was a Commercial number stamp may have been used on the early Inland GI receiver.

I missed your thinking that the 1st and last numbers were weld ups.
I was thinking if they had been ground off... We'd see a crown where the 92 is stamped.

After blowing up the pics you sent, You can see the lack of or better said continual milling lines.

Dan,
I tip my hat to you for your over and above effort.
And if you find out, Not being mad at JD, Marcus and I having some fun 'Poking the Bear' Wink

Ch-P777


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Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: May 02 2021 at 7:43pm
Did anyone else take note of the misalignment of the bottoms of the letters L and A? They are in perfect alignment on authentic Inlands, but not on the subject firearm....

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Posted By: Donnie
Date Posted: May 02 2021 at 8:32pm
Sherlock Holmes would be impressed with the sleuthing and deductions in this thread. Thumbs Up


Posted By: Why Carbines?
Date Posted: May 02 2021 at 9:47pm
Originally posted by Donnie Donnie wrote:

Sherlock Holmes would be impressed with the sleuthing and deductions in this thread. Thumbs Up


Yeah, no wonder he was an addict.


Posted By: HammerGrunt
Date Posted: Nov 23 2021 at 3:10pm
Did I miss the discussion re the fake stock as well?  Looks like Fake Sling Well cartouches to me and that it was an Oval Cut slot that was converted by Bubba's Word Working to look like an I-Cut stock :-)

 


Posted By: Pro Libertate
Date Posted: Nov 23 2021 at 4:52pm
You beat me to it, Hammer! I was just going to mention how I felt those cartouches look far too clean and even fresh to be legit. You'd expect a certain amount of grime to darken the wood beneath, but those are all "in the white".

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Posted By: Pro Libertate
Date Posted: Nov 23 2021 at 4:57pm
I also couldn't help but notice the circular striations to the rear of the sling well... orbital sander, perhaps?

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