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Featured Carbine - Saginaw S’G’ 3549164

During WWII, Lieutenant Commander Charles Stewart Dowrick served aboard the USS Altamaha (CVE-18), the first US light carrier to conduct hunter-killer patrols for enemy submarines in the Pacific Theater.



On December 17th 1944 the Altamaha was part of Task Force 38 commanded by Admiral Halsey, and on that date TF 38 was struck by typhoon Cobra with 100 mph winds and very high seas.




Facing that typhoon, the Altamaha had 65 planes aboard, 45 of them tied down on the flight deck, which made the ship top-heavy. By 0900 on the 18th, the escort carrier was laboring heavily and rolling as much as 25 to 30 degrees to either side. The storm soon swept 37 of the planes off the flight deck. Top heavy no longer, it was this loss of so many planes that saved the ship. At war’s end, Lieutenant Commander Dowrick was honorably discharged on December 7th 1945 and soon after, settled with his family in Quezon City in the Philippines working for The United States Philippine War Damage Commission.  At some point during his stay there, Lieutenant Commander Dowrick (retired) was presented with this ornately carved “gift” M1 carbine by Philippine dignitaries in appreciation for his post war restoration efforts.

The “Gift” Carbine



The stunning artistry of the craftsman that sculpted this black walnut GI stock into a work of art can be clearly seen just by looking at the way the basket weave pattern has been carved from the nose to the recoil plate.





The exact date as to when this Inland stock was carved is unknown, but there is no doubt as to where this stock was transformed into this amazing gift.



Notice the simulated bamboo pattern that is deeply carved into the ‘IO’ marked 
4-rivet handguard.





The handguard, ‘DI’ marked recoil plate, and the Inland square pattern buttplate are three clues that tell us that this stock set once belonged to an Inland carbine.  The details of how this Inland low-wood stock and original S’G’ carbine action were mated together are lost to history.




This late 1943 produced Saginaw S’G’ carbine with an un-dated S.G. barrel closely matches the COM in NL 364-15 (see data sheet for details).  The tooling locator holes and the unique notch in the trigger are two details that must be present in all S’G’ trigger housings.  The B-S’G’ marked flip rear sight has been recently “upgraded” to an adjustable rear sight by the Dowrick family that occasionally uses this carbine as a shooter.  The adjustable sight has not been staked in place and the original flip sight is kept in a safe place.




                               
Charles Stewart Dowrick’s name is prominently displayed on the left side of the stock leaving no doubt as to whom this gift was intended.





Carved into the right side of the stock, a bare-footed farmer is shown working his wooden plow pulled by a Philippine Carabao, a swamp type domestic water buffalo.  A traditional Nepa hut and palm tree fills the space behind the oval oiler cut. More simulated bamboo can be seen on the top and bottom of the stock along with mountains, clouds and a pair of flying birds.



The three dimensional scene carved into the left side of the stock shows a horse drawn Kalesa or Karitela, a very common mode of transportation in the Philippine Islands at that time. The sling cut has been cleverly transformed into a path coming out of the woods. Notice that both wheels of the Kalesa are shown. A large tree completes the scene at the butt end.  Thank you Charles S. Dowrick II for sharing your family treasure with us.


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Thank you Dave for your hard work putting this artical together for me. My dad would be doubly pleased.
It demonstrates your devotion to the collecting of M1 Carbines.
Much appreciated, Charlie
And thanks Newsman1 for posting it
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Thanks for the interesting article. IP/S'G' have always been very interesting to me. They always raise more questions than some of the other manufactures to me. You never seem to find all the variations. Each one always seems to raise another question. But that is what keeps in the game.Wink
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Fantastic carbine!  What a beautifully carved piece of wood! Thanks for capturing it Dave.
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Thanks for your comments, Dave Tennent mentioned we might meet at the upcoming gun show
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Yup should be fun. Hoping others can join us as well.
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Interesting. You can add the attached photo to your collection. I found it at a garage sale. Place and time unknown.
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Thank you so very much. That IS the Altamaha somewhere in the Pacific ocean. Wish I had seen that photo. Would have snatched it up.
Just think, my dad might have been on it at that time.
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I see this S'G' has a triggerhousing with the S.G./Inland type of milling on the side. Did S'G' prime change to this type of milling or was this a part started by S.G. then finished by S'G'? I have a few S'G' housings but only one like this and I was never sure when it fit in their production. Were all their late ones milled like this or were both types used until the end?Confused
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From what I've read and been told. Saginaw from two different plants + having IP's throne in, there is bound to be a lot of unanswered questions. My serial number placement adds to the confusion. I am open to more comments.
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Originally posted by kar6666 kar6666 wrote:

I see this S'G' has a trigger housing with the S.G./Inland type of milling on the side. Did S'G' prime change to this type of milling or was this a part started by S.G. then finished by S'G'? I have a few S'G' housings but only one like this and I was never sure when it fit in their production. Were all their late ones milled like this or were both types used until the end?Confused


I'd be interested in a further discussion about our M1s. Whats the Sr. # on your one in question, any details you'd  care to share. I am mainly interested in why my S'G' appears in the S.G. date range
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I don't think mine came on a S'G' or I probably would have left it with the carbine. I would need to go through my records to find what it came with or maybe I just purchased as a part. I have had it for 15 or 20 years and just let it set in the parts drawer as I wasn't sure where it should be used. At 71 my memory isn't what it use to be.
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At 81 I know how that is,anyway, if you come across anything, give me a shout and if anyone else has an interest in S'G' Saginaw  in the Sr.# range, 3,250,020 to 3,651,519, I'd like to hear from you.

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Hi Charles, Have seen an all original S'G' 3.59. All parts S'G' except for IP mag catch, SG recoil plate and trigger housing. Buffalo Arms barrel.
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A link to information on the USS Altahama: http://www.navsource.org/archives/03/018.htm

Navsource is a great source of information on U.S. Navy ships.
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That is a very informative site, I appreciate your taking time  looking it up. I'll spend some time there. Thank you.
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I have since this article was written, discovered Inland supplied some stocks to S'G'
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Incredible rifle and story behind it! thank you for posting
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Amazing craftsmanship. Very cool to see as my grandfather was over in Papua New Guinea and the Philippines armed with a carbine as an MP.
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Hi Charles,

  I have two S'G' carbines in that Sea# range, one is a nearly completely restored carbine, the other is a barreled action from the CMP that is partially restored to "as issued" and I must find a stock for this one.
Always looking for S'G' parts, if you have any or know of a source. I need an S'G' safety, buttplate, recoil plate, and mag release.  any info I can provide for you on those carbines?  Thanks! 

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