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m1a1fan 
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 Topic: Stock MarksPosted: Nov 18 2018 at 12:13pm |
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For reference, here is a late Winch stock showing the W marking. I do not know if the mark changed over time. Also, I do. It know if the other marks in the sling well are significant or not.
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kar6666
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Posted: Nov 17 2018 at 10:23am |
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I once had a RMC/I stock with I-cut. I think some where in the old club newsletters these were talked about as being found on some Inlands in the 2,9 serial area. I am not sure if I still have it or not. I always tried to keep stocks with odd markings. I remember thinking about buying a 2,9 I saw at a show just because I had the stock. I think I passed on it to wait for a better one.
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m1a1fan
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Posted: Oct 08 2018 at 5:02pm |
Good catch. Missed it in the pictures. I had a stock transfered to Inland as it had an I in the sling well. It wasn't Rock-Ola though. Can't remember for sure as I sold it, Maybe Underwood? Think I sold it to someone here, but can't remember the buyer either. The only thing I can remember is it was an oval cut. |
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BER911
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Posted: Oct 07 2018 at 10:21pm |
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Got it. Thanks Wayne.
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Semper Fi, Bruce
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Posted: Oct 07 2018 at 5:48pm |
Bruce, not that it was actually made for Inland, rather it was a RMC stock that was transferred to Inland. I believe that Rock-ola transferred 10,000 + stocks and handgaurds to inland in 1943. |
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Posted: Oct 07 2018 at 4:04pm |
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Bubba,
So, does that mean the stock was made by Rock-Ola for Inland? Thanks.
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Semper Fi, Bruce
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Bubba-7
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Posted: Oct 07 2018 at 10:52am |
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The Ordnance stamp is Inland as well as the stamps in the sling well show an Inland used stock. RMC/I
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BER911
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Posted: Oct 04 2018 at 10:02pm |
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Dan,
That is good to know. I feel better about my new stock. Thanks. |
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Semper Fi, Bruce
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New2brass
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Posted: Oct 04 2018 at 9:02pm |
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Rockola I-cut stocks have been observed mixed in with oval cuts for quite some time.
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Posted: Oct 04 2018 at 6:44pm |
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The Rock-Ola Type I (modified) stock and hand guard arrived. The stock is "as advertised" in very good condition. It also came with the proported original USGI canvas sling.
The RMC mark is visible in the sling cutout and the crossed cannons are visible on the RH side of the butt stock. The IO mark is visible on the underside of the hand guard. There are no rebuild marks that I can see. There are a few small dents, but no cracks that I can see in the wood. I am pleased to have a Rock-Ola stock to match my Rock carbine. I know the stock is not the correct type, but that is not a big deal to me. My Rock-Ola has serial number 1704xxx which I believe should have a Type II stock; a modified Type I is close enough for me. Here are some pictures of my new stock.         |
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Semper Fi, Bruce
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Posted: Oct 02 2018 at 8:51am |
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UPDATE
I found a original Type 1 Rock-Ola stock and upper handguard that are in excellent condition. The stock is clearly marked RMC and has the crossed-cannons cartouche. It also claims to have the original USGI cotton sling; we will see. The stock was modified by cutting down the "high wood" to expose the slide. From what I read, that was a common modification to the Type I stocks. It is being shipped to me this week. Once received I will post some pictures. It will be nice to have a Rock-Ola stock to match my Rock carbine.
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Semper Fi, Bruce
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jackp1028
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Posted: Sep 25 2018 at 6:43pm |
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Bruce, you have a Springfield Armory post war replacement stock. No more pictures are needed. The "SA" on the barrel channel nailed it. It is not Winchester.
The "HI" on the hand guard shows that it was made by Hillerich and Bradsby Co. (makers of the "Louisville Slugger") for Inland Manufacturing Division of General motors. The STD PROD mark is an arsenal rebuild mark. I have to admit that I was seeing things too. Just wishful thinking I guess. |
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Posted: Sep 25 2018 at 3:48pm |
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They say that sometimes we see what we want to see. Case in point...the W is no longer visible in the sling well. I apologize for the "fake news" about that mark. It appears what I was seeing was just the various grains of wood that conveniently looked like a partial letter.
While taking pictures that Jack had requested, I think I may have solved the riddle by discovering two marks I had not seen before. First, on the bottom of the hand guard are the letters H.I. I do not know what they mean, but someone in the club probably does. Here is the picture:  Next, there is a faint SA mark up forward on the mating surface of the stock. Look carefully and you will see this mark.  The only other mark that I have not already shown (a couple "rack" marks were posted earlier) is the STD PROD RWH mark on the LH side of the butt stock.  Jack - let me know if you still need to see other photos of my Rock-Ola stock. |
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Semper Fi, Bruce
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BER911
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Posted: Sep 25 2018 at 10:19am |
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Jack,
I'll work on getting the additional pictures of the stock and butt plate. |
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Semper Fi, Bruce
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jackp1028
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Posted: Sep 24 2018 at 8:21pm |
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Bruce, also take pictures of the whole stock in profile, both sides along with closeup interior pictures. Top and bottom, too. Also, under the butt plate. BTW, take a closeup pic of the butt plate too.
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Posted: Sep 24 2018 at 7:49pm |
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Jack,
I will work with various lighting options to try and get a clearer picture or the partial W mark. |
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Semper Fi, Bruce
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jackp1028
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Posted: Sep 24 2018 at 7:34pm |
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Dan, Ruth mentions Type C, Variation 3 ('Potbelly') in late Winchesters in WB!, pg 328. However, WB3 retracts this to say that the "Potbelly" stock does not have the "W" (pg 1129). WB3 makes no mention of who the maker of this stock is. Riesch also mentions the existence of the Type 5 on later Winchester's marked "W" (pg 108, 7th edition)
I know the controversy regarding the possible existence of a Type 5 Winchester stock. That's why I made the comment regarding it's potential rarity. Perhaps the OP can provide additional photos so that we can be certain that this is or is not a Winchester stock. The stock I showed is not a potbelly. It was intended to show how obscure the "W" can be. |
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New2brass
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Posted: Sep 24 2018 at 6:00pm |
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There is no documentation of Winchester ever producing potbelly stocks that I know of.
Jack is the picture you show a potbelly?
Please let me know if I am missing something. It is believed Marlin made post war potbelly stock, they had a M in slingwell which many think is W. As to the Sta Pro rebuild program. |
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Posted: Sep 24 2018 at 4:51pm |
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Thanks Jack for your valued input. I would have never seen the Winchester mark.
For now, the BU and the 1 will remain a mystery. Maybe one of our other members will discover similar marks. |
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Semper Fi, Bruce
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jackp1028
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Posted: Sep 24 2018 at 4:36pm |
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It's probably a fairly rare stock. You don't see very many wartime Type 5's. I agree with Wayne on the armory rack number, although you would think they would use a method a little less permanent than the deep stamping. Rack numbers change. They are usually stenciled or tagged. The "BU' and the number "1" got my attention because of the unusually flat surface they're stamped on, typical of Winchester stocks. I have no idea what the letters mean.
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