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Smokpole 
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 Topic: Blondie and Dagwood's daughter DaisyPosted: Jun 06 2022 at 7:55pm |
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Once you've seen several originals, you won't have any problem spotting repros.
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Rebel92
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Posted: Jun 06 2022 at 10:23am |
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Okay, I will take a gander. Hope I dont compare it to another REPRO :)
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GotSnlB28
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Posted: Jun 06 2022 at 7:59am |
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Milling is one characteristic to look at, there are many more. The best thing is to look at known good examples and pick out all the details that arent consistent. With this one there are multiple. |
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Rebel92
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Posted: Jun 05 2022 at 10:32pm |
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Can you tell us how you can easily tell this one is a repro? Is it the lack of machining marks ?
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Da1Chief
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Posted: Jun 05 2022 at 12:54pm |
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FWIW; The barrel appears to have a long skirt, flat muzzle crown
and is undated. Would expect to have a T-1 narrow band and be mated to an IBM
or IBM/A0 marked receiver that lands in the mid 12-43 to early 1-44 production
timeframe. This
IBM/AO serial number would be expected to show up in the 11-43 production
timeframe. Not gospel for AO marked receivers however. IBM
barrel dates track closely with their assembly timeframe. A company that was
all about the numbers. The stock
is great and would be expected/correct for that receiver. Take a
look at this one, not too far from yours; try to ignore Bubba's handy work. The
link in the first post should take you to the photo album. Warning; I like
taking pictures of my IBM's. http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/topic5012.html 1. The Barrel Does in fact have a Long Skirt, I assume that the Long Skirt without a date is common and not an issue that I should be worried about. 2. Thank
You for setting my mind at rest about the type 2 Band markings being askew. 3. I
agree the Type 2 band is out of place according to the timeframe of the serial
number, I may look at replacing it with a type 1 that has the proper KVB
marking on the swivel. However, to find a "Real One" is insanely
expensive. 4. Yes, I looked at you pictures. Very Nice Weapons. Helps me study them and know what to look for in the future (Thank You). Yes, I agree you like taking pictures of your IBMs. (Big Smile) Very respectively, Da1Chief |
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GotSnlB28
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Posted: Jun 05 2022 at 12:44pm |
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If you plan to shoot it, I might relieve a tiny bit of wood at the rear of the recoil plate. I use a dowel with fine sandpaper wrapped around it. It only needs to be a hair gap and if you're careful it will not get the wood out of shape or be noticeable. I only do this on shooters, not collector grade stocks which I do not shoot, after learning my lesson the hard way.
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Da1Chief
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Posted: Jun 05 2022 at 12:34pm |
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Thank You Sir, I want to fill up the small holes there but not sure what to use, but that is a low priority for now.
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Matt_X
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Posted: Jun 05 2022 at 11:58am |
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Looks like a repair already done with two brass pins and possibly glue. Probably good to go.
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Da1Chief
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Posted: Jun 05 2022 at 11:49am |
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OH Crap... Thought I had included the Picture of the "Hairline Crack"
 I get a Black Eye for that one.Anyway here it is...  Again, I'm sorry that I left it out of the other pictures. Was just in a hurry to get them posted, I simply didn't relize I had left it out.. Very respectively, Da1Chief |
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GotSnlB28
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Posted: Jun 05 2022 at 11:18am |
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I don't see a picture with the crack, but hairline cracks from the recoil plate are common. If you plan to shoot the rifle, there should be a hair gap between the recoil plate tang in the back from the wood. If you post up a picture it would help assess.
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ncin1911
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Posted: Jun 05 2022 at 8:54am |
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RE: "My 4 major concerns with the exterior are as follows."
The barrel appears to have a long skirt, flat muzzle crown and is undated. Would expect to have a T-1 narrow band and be mated to an IBM or IBM/A0 marked receiver that lands in the mid 12-43 to early 1-44 production timeframe. The T-2 band usage by IBM starts showing up in late 1-44 production on short skirt round muzzle crown barrels. This IBM/AO serial number would be expected to show up in the 11-43 production timeframe. Not gospel for AO marked receivers however. IBM barrel dates track closely with their assembly timeframe. A company that was all about the numbers.   The stock is great and would be expected/correct for that receiver. Take a look at this one, not too far from yours; try to ignore Bubba's handy work. The link in the first post should take you to the photo album. Warning; I like taking pictures of my IBM's. |
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Posted: Jun 04 2022 at 2:08pm |
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My 4 major concerns with the exterior are as follows.
1. Very Minor "Tight" Hairline Crack in wood right behind Recoil Plate. (Of Course No Crack is Minor) 2. Front Barrel Band - Can not remember if it is 3 or 4 welds for the Type 2. (My memory says 4) 3. Front Barrel Band - The Double Slash Marking is almost sideways, shouldn't they be more vertical? 4. Front Sight is marked "N" - It is my understanding the the "N" was used early Production not in the Dec 43 Timeframe Other that those 4 items I am very happy with it. Comments and oposing viewpoints requested Very respectfully, Da1Chief (Sandy)
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Da1Chief
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Posted: Jun 04 2022 at 1:55pm |
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I will start the General Tour with the Right Side.
   Look at that Sexy High Wood   Now the Left Side      Now for the Top Down View       Last but not Least the Bottom View     This concludes the exterior tour. Internal tour will commence next week.
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Posted: Jun 04 2022 at 1:27pm |
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[QUOTE=ncin1911]I remember looking at this one.
@Da1Chief take a close look on the bevel of the receiver forward of the rear sight dovetail. Possibly some previous markings ground off; I noted that along with absence of machining marks and punch mark in that area; from what could be seen in auction photos. Suspect the barreled receiver was refinished together at some point. Does the finish on barrel and receiver match? Belive me when I say that I would rather have an educated guess from you and the other experts here than my "Ricky Recruit" opinion. Heck, I'm still to the point of when I put the Hammer Pin and Spring back in, I go into the tub and pull the shower curtin closed so when I launch it, I can still find the parts (Huge Laugh). Sad but it is True... Dave, as promised I'll start my pictures dealing with the pictures you requested.     |
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Posted: Jun 04 2022 at 12:31pm |
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It's probably just fine Sandy; was just notes I had made going by photos provided in the listing. Photos can exaggerate small details or leave a lot to be desired. I certainly have paid up several times taking a chance and getting educated along the way; just like everyone else here.
I ain't scared to go down the Rabbit hole; sometimes you get lucky.
P.S. I.B.M. Corp. are the best ones and don't let anyone tell you any different.   Looking forward to more pics. Best Dave |
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Posted: Jun 04 2022 at 10:25am |
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Wow !!! I must have looked at the rear sight over a
dozen times and didn’t see anything as to the fitment (Big Smile). I have only been learning about carbines
since I got Blondie back in October of last year (2021). I understand enough about them to know I don’t
know a DARN thing when it comes to the details of authenticity of the
individual parts and pieces. That is why
I keep saying that I want opinions and the truth. To borrow from the movie MATRIX, I choose the
Red Pill not the Blue one. If I am going
to learn I need to know what to look for.
To answer ncin1911’s question, The Receiver and Barrel both have a "Dark Green Tint" to them when held under a bright LED Flashlight. To my untrained/layman eyes they appear to be about the same color but I am sure that someone here may see a difference in the colors. I just don’t know the correct words or how to explain it properly. Additionally, I used my “Bore Gauge” to see how good or bad the barrel was. It was slightly over the 05 line. That seems a little odd for the age of the riffle and I suspect there was a barrel swap with a newer IBM barrel somewhere in its past (you will see pictures when I post them up). It would also explain why there is no Date or Bomb on the barrel. I will also include additional pictures of the Receiver just forward of the rear sights as requested by ncin1911. I looked at the area with my 69yr old eyes under a magnifying glass and can not see any area that appears to have been ground down or any attempt to remove markings or anything like that. Pictures will be posted when I can resize them down from my camera to what is acceptable for upload to the forum. My sincere thanks to everyone for their comments and I accept them fully. without any reservation or ill feeling to anyone. Again my honest and humble Thank You ! Very respectfully, Da1Chief (Sandy to my Friends) |
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Posted: Jun 03 2022 at 1:26pm |
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That's not really an "odd fitment" of the sight, that's a machining error that didn't disqualify the receiver. To cut dovetails such as that an end-mill cuts out the majority of the dovetail slot and then a key cutter finishes the slot by cutting the dovetail. It appears the receiver wasn't located flat and on an angle and the end-mill cut out of square. As the dovetail secures the sight front and back the uneven base doesn't affect the sights security.
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Posted: Jun 02 2022 at 7:17am |
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I remember looking at this one.
@Da1Chief take a close look on the bevel of the receiver forward of the rear sight dovetail. Possibly some previous markings ground off; I noted that along with absence of machining marks and punch mark in that area; from what could be seen in auction photos. Suspect the barreled receiver was refinished together at some point. Does the finish on barrel and receiver match?  FWIW I would have expected an 11-43 dated barrel, for that AO serial. IBM undated barrels with flat muzzle crown profile is typically seen late 12-43 into early 44 production before IBM changed to the rounded crown profile. Of course with AO IBM receivers and carbines in general; anything is possible. I also noted the repop flip and the odd fitment into the dovetail.  |
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Posted: Jun 02 2022 at 5:15am |
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Thank You Sir ! Like I said I would rather know the truth. I prefer the Red Pill, Not the Blue Pill Very respectively, Da1Chief
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Posted: Jun 01 2022 at 10:35pm |
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Thanks for posting the additional photos. Sorry to say this, but the rear sight is a repro. And I can see the signs of adjustable sight staking.
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