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    Posted: May 24 2022 at 8:02pm


Went yesterday to my local gun dealer and picked up my 3RD IBM Carbine since October of last year.  I purchased it from an individual in Washington State through GB auction.

 IBM AO S/N 38442XX. Has a Sexy High Wood BR-B Stock and nice Cartouche.  I downloaded the pictures from GB and examined them well.  Spoke to the owner and tried to do my research and found him to be an upstanding individual in his community. So, I decided to bid and was lucky enough to win.

 

I have no information of the history, but I can tell it has been taken care of.  I haven’t had time to break it down and do a complete inspection on it but so far, the external markings seem to be correct for a December 1943 to Early January 1944 riffle from IBM.  Has IBM Barrel (No Date or Bomb) Has the small “P” about 5 inches down from the Front Sight which is marked with “N”.  Push Button Safety with “EPB”.  Rear Flip Sight without any markings on right side and “S” on the Left Side.  Butt Plate is also IBM.  6 dimples across top, 4 dimples left of screw hole, 5 full rows of dimples below screw hole before they step down 1 dimple, and 4 dimples on the bottom row.

As you all know My First one was Blondie, My Second was Dagwood, so here is their daughter.

Here are a few pictures of “Daisy”. (Then name Alexander just didn't work for me LOL)

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Beautiful IBM, mine is a mixer but also such a nice shooter.
Wasn't Daisy the dog, and Tootsie the daughter? I haven't googled it, but no matter.
Nice family anyway to name them !
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I'd be interested in pictures of both sides of the flip sight.
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You are completely correct in the dogs name WAS Daisy.  I guess my memory is just not what it was back in the day LOL
I was correct that the son’s name was Alexander
Their daughters name was put out as a name the baby contest and the winning name was Cookie

Neither the Alexander or the Cookie name really work for me as something to call a riffle. 
So, I’m going to have to come up with something else
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A hit or two from that carbine will have you "pushin' up Daisies"!
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Originally posted by GotSnlB28 GotSnlB28 wrote:

I'd be interested in pictures of both sides of the flip sight.

Sorry for the delayed response, was with family in South Carolina for the holiday and got home yesterday evening.

I will try to get some pictures posted up this week. (Especially the Rear Flip Sight as requested)

All of the pictures I currently have are from the previous owner.
I plan to take a full HD set of pictures.
That way, anyone who wishes can look closely at which ever portion of the riffle they wish.

I have no idea how much space we are allowed to upload pictures so I will try to make the first photos of the general areas and upload specific portions upon request.
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Originally posted by Da1Chief Da1Chief wrote:

Originally posted by GotSnlB28 GotSnlB28 wrote:

I'd be interested in pictures of both sides of the flip sight.
I plan to take a full HD set of pictures.
That way, anyone who wishes can look closely at which ever portion of the riffle they wish.

I have no idea how much space we are allowed to upload pictures so I will try to make the first photos of the general areas and upload specific portions upon request.

You have plenty of space
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Thank you, sir,
 I had no idea and didn't want to offend anyone by taking up too much room on the server.

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Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:

Originally posted by Da1Chief Da1Chief wrote:

Originally posted by GotSnlB28 GotSnlB28 wrote:

I'd be interested in pictures of both sides of the flip sight.
I plan to take a full HD set of pictures.
That way, anyone who wishes can look closely at which ever portion of the riffle they wish.

I have no idea how much space we are allowed to upload pictures so I will try to make the first photos of the general areas and upload specific portions upon request.

You have plenty of space

Start out with the pictures of the Rear Sights, as requested and promised.

Please give Honest Opinion.  I would rather know the truth than live in a Dream.
Is it real or a Reproduction?


Back of Rear Sight Short Leaf


Rear Sight Front Short Leaf


Rear Sight Back Long Leaf


Rear Sight Front Long Leaf


Rear Sight Right - Unmarked


Rear Sight Left - S Marking
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Thanks for posting the additional photos. Sorry to say this, but the rear sight is a repro. And I can see the signs of adjustable sight staking.
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Originally posted by GotSnlB28 GotSnlB28 wrote:

Thanks for posting the additional photos. Sorry to say this, but the rear sight is a repro. And I can see the signs of adjustable sight staking.

Thank You Sir !

Like I said I would rather know the truth.
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I remember looking at this one.
@Da1Chief take a close look on the bevel of the receiver forward of the rear sight dovetail.
Possibly some previous markings ground off; I noted that along with absence of machining marks and punch mark in that area; from what could be seen in auction photos.
Suspect the barreled receiver was refinished together at some point. Does the finish on barrel and receiver match?



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I would have expected an 11-43 dated barrel, for that AO serial. IBM undated barrels with flat muzzle crown profile is typically seen late 12-43 into early 44 production before IBM changed to the rounded crown profile. Of course with AO IBM receivers and carbines in general; anything is possible.

I also noted the repop flip and the odd fitment into the dovetail.
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Originally posted by <div><br>I also noted the repop flip and the odd fitment into the dovetail.<br><img src=uploads/5479/IBM-3.8-AO-GB_FakeFlip-odd-dovetail-fit.jpg height=591 width=812 border=0 /><br></div><div><br></div>[/QUOTE

I also noted the repop flip and the odd fitment into the dovetail.


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That's not really an "odd fitment" of the sight, that's a machining error that didn't disqualify the receiver. To cut dovetails such as that an end-mill cuts out the majority of the dovetail slot

That's not really an "odd fitment" of the sight, that's a machining error that didn't disqualify the receiver. To cut dovetails such as that an end-mill cuts out the majority of the dovetail slot and then a key cutter finishes the slot by cutting the dovetail. It appears the receiver wasn't located flat and on an angle and the end-mill cut out of square. As the dovetail secures the sight front and back the uneven base doesn't affect the sights security.
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Wow !!!  I must have looked at the rear sight over a dozen times and didn’t see anything as to the fitment (Big Smile).  I have only been learning about carbines since I got Blondie back in October of last year (2021).  I understand enough about them to know I don’t know a DARN thing when it comes to the details of authenticity of the individual parts and pieces.  That is why I keep saying that I want opinions and the truth.  To borrow from the movie MATRIX, I choose the Red Pill not the Blue one.  If I am going to learn I need to know what to look for.

To answer ncin1911’s question, The Receiver and Barrel both have a "Dark Green Tint" to them when held under a bright LED Flashlight.  To my untrained/layman eyes they appear to be about the same color but I am sure that someone here may see a difference in the colors.  I just don’t know the correct words or how to explain it properly.  Additionally, I used my “Bore Gauge” to see how good or bad the barrel was.  It was slightly over the 05 line.  That seems a little odd for the age of the riffle and I suspect there was a barrel swap with a newer IBM barrel somewhere in its past (you will see pictures when I post them up).  It would also explain why there is no Date or Bomb on the barrel.

I will also include additional pictures of the Receiver just forward of the rear sights as requested by ncin1911.  I looked at the area with my 69yr old eyes under a magnifying glass and can not see any area that appears to have been ground down or any attempt to remove markings or anything like that.

Pictures will be posted when I can resize them down from my camera to what is acceptable for upload to the forum.

My sincere thanks to everyone for their comments and I accept them fully. without any reservation or ill feeling to anyone.  Again my honest and humble Thank You !

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 It's probably just fine Sandy; was just notes I had made going by photos provided in the listing. Photos can exaggerate small details or leave a lot to be desired. I certainly have paid up several times taking a chance and getting educated along the way; just like everyone else here.

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Looking forward to more pics.
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[QUOTE=ncin1911]I remember looking at this one.
@Da1Chief take a close look on the bevel of the receiver forward of the rear sight dovetail.
Possibly some previous markings ground off; I noted that along with absence of machining marks and punch mark in that area; from what could be seen in auction photos.
Suspect the barreled receiver was refinished together at some point. Does the finish on barrel and receiver match?

Belive me when I say that I would rather have an educated guess from you and the other experts here than my "Ricky Recruit" opinion.  Heck, I'm still to the point of when I put the Hammer Pin and Spring back in, I go into the tub and pull the shower curtin closed so when I launch it, I can still find the parts (Huge Laugh).  Sad but it is True...

Dave, as promised I'll start my pictures dealing with the pictures you requested. 
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I will start the General Tour with the Right Side.






Look at that Sexy High Wood Smile



Now the Left Side   









Now for the Top Down View  













Last but not Least the Bottom View









This concludes the exterior tour.  Internal tour will commence next week.
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My 4 major concerns with the exterior are as follows.
1.  Very Minor "Tight" Hairline Crack in wood right behind Recoil Plate. (Of Course No Crack is Minor)
2.  Front Barrel Band - Can not remember if it is 3 or 4 welds for the Type 2. (My memory says 4)
3.  Front Barrel Band - The Double Slash Marking is almost sideways, shouldn't they be more vertical?
4.  Front Sight is marked "N" - It is my understanding the the "N" was used early Production not in the Dec 43 Timeframe

Other that those 4 items I am very happy with it.

Comments and oposing viewpoints requested 

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RE: "My 4 major concerns with the exterior are as follows."

  1. There are other more knowledgeable/experienced members regarding proper stock repairs,  that can help you with what to do, or not to do with the hairline crack. 
  2. The barrel band is good and shows the typical weld scar characteristics & finish for T-2 bands used by IBM.
  3. No concern on the double slash marking being applied in that orientation.
  4. No concern on use of the N marked front sight by IBM at any given period of production. You will also find Z marked (N turned on it's side)
FWIW; 
The barrel appears to have a long skirt, flat muzzle crown and is undated. Would expect to have a T-1 narrow band and be mated to an IBM or IBM/A0 marked receiver that lands in the mid 12-43 to early 1-44 production timeframe.
The T-2 band usage by IBM starts showing up in late 1-44 production on short skirt round muzzle crown barrels.
This IBM/AO serial number would be expected to show up in the 11-43 production timeframe. Not gospel for AO marked receivers however.

IBM barrel dates track closely with their assembly timeframe. A company that was all about the numbers. Geek



The stock is great and would be expected/correct for that receiver. 

Take a look at this one, not too far from yours; try to ignore Bubba's handy work. The link in the first post should take you to the photo album. Warning; I like taking pictures of my IBM's.
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