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    Posted: Apr 22 2022 at 11:02pm
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/930857484

Matches:

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/101091784

It's actually an Underwood but Cabela's has it listed wrong too.

Scammer keeps listing it with short auction times. Has other guns listed with pictures stolen from other sites. PayPal payment. Appears to be an older hijacked account. I didn't get scammed but checked it out and wanted to warn others who might see this or other listings from this hijacked seller. Lots of good stuff out there but some bad apples too - be careful and happy collecting.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote W5USMC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr 22 2022 at 11:24pm
Nice detective work! Thanks for posting. If you look at his completed auctions, he has sold the same WRA Garand to 3 different buyers. 

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I notice he says FFL not required! That should be a big red flag!
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Sunday Bump

GB was notified about these scammers. It seems GB workers are on vacation this week.

Has anyone noticed that GB now has a Paypal option? Even though you can use paypal, you most probably will not be covered by their buyer protection! they still list firearms, parts, accessories as items that that are not allowed.

Checking GB the sellers should be covered up to $500 for the fraud. However, if you uses friends and family you will be SOL. They have a full page of what is not covered.

A good read:

The 500 has a 100 dollar deductible and does not cover shipping cost, transfer fees, TAXES.
This last one is interesting, You did not receive an item, how could it be taxed?

You may or may not have noticed that GB now tacks on an additional 1% to the buyer for dealing with having to collect taxes. I guess they have an accountant working 24/7 but there fraud department only works the third Thursday of the month.

Buyer beware

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And the F's are rolling in on this scammer.

"!WARNING - FRAUDULENT SELLER! Check the recent sales! Selling same item repeatedly. Pictures are stolen from other legitimate online auctions. !HACKED ACCOUNT!"

"Won auction via buy it now colt SP1. After initial email correspondence requesting FFL or state I.D with current address now refuses to respond to emails. BUYER BE VERY CAREFUL."
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GotSnlB28 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr 24 2022 at 2:18pm
At least the feedback system is working... I saw someone bid on the Winchester Garand and I sent him a warning message.
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The M1a1 sold... again.
I am not liking the feedback setting, two negatives and it still says A+

You would think the algorithm  would flag something
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Thanks for the heads up. 
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Now I’m thinking about buyin the real one. Thanks alot 
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I try to stay out of these situations given past frustrations with trying to get Gunbroker to act responsibly and remove listings like this. Also don't wanna waste time doing battle with a crook who tries to "get even".

But, this one ticked me off. Wish I would have acted sooner.

On my GB account I changed my last name, address, phone, and public email then did a Buy it Now on the two he had left. I would have done the same to more if any were left or if he relisted these two.

Universal M1 Carbine ,30
Gunbroker: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/930857484?a=1

Cabelas: https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/101091784

Henry H010X Lever Action 45-70 gov.
Gunbroker: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/931471833?a=1

Guns International https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/henry-rifles/henry-h010x-lever-action-45-70-gov-free-shipping-.cfm?gun_id=101922968

The seller will not be able to communicate with me, his messages will go to the bogus email address I used. I suspect this GB account was hacked versus the account holder being a crook.

I've notified GB customer support. we shall see.

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Best thing I have heard about GB in a while.  Nice work Jim.  
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I heard back from the guy I notified who bid on the Winchester Garand, he was about ready to send payment when he read my message! I suggested he file a support ticket on the fraud as well.
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I am getting reports from the few names I recognize that GB is just now sending out emails saying the account has been hacked. The sellers name has also been changed, but I cannot see if they had any additional listings over the weekend. I guess GB is in the process of eliminating the fake auctions
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I'll admit that GB customer service used to be pretty good, but at least during the pandemic months it's gone all but straight to Hell. I know I had an issue that I asked about and waited and waited and waited...finally I received an automated-like reply that barely dealt with my concern. I learned from that experience and doubt I would I'll have need enough to bother again. Of course as someone on this site told me one time there's two sides to every story. Personally, I have way better things to do than contact GB or some other auction site every time some self righteous, do-gooder sees an auction with real or imagined issues.
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Not sure if this is the best place to post this but certain Dan will know.

Paypal

Paypal customer support and their website "help" do not make it clear what victims need to do to recover losses. They hide behind the claim they are a money transfer business only, not a bank or financial institution. This is true, but not of much help with what to do.

Paypal is like any other business you give money too. If you used a credit card or bank account to give them money to transfer, file a charge-back with your credit company or bank. Although the transfer was initially approved by you there is now a box to check on the charge-back form that indicates approval was/is revoked. Just need to add a narrative as to why.

The charge-back will get sent to Paypal. It enables them to go into the bank account they transferred the money too and recover it if they can. Paypal has to respond to the charge-back complaint and do so in a way that complies with federal laws.

This has worked for me but there are no guarantees this will work for you. Paypal's business practices leave an open door for thieves worldwide to exploit. Particulaly the Chinese, who can hide behind the Great Wall that protects them from laws outside China. Best way to protect yourself is use a different money transfer business with better business practices.

Gunbroker, et al

The Better Business Bureau has been very helpful in resolving business complaints but any actions they make are for voluntary compliance. Have a look at the BBB info for Gunbroker:

https://www.bbb.org/us/ga/kennesaw/profile/gun-dealers/gunbrokercom-0443-6004874

Each State has a consumer protection agency that has enforcement powers along with the ability to enact laws. Any corp or LLC in their State has to respond to complaints lodged with them. Most have a means of filing complaints online using their website.

Gunbroker is based out of GA. They are an LLC there. Here's their State consumer protection site:

    https://consumer.georgia.gov

Most of us don't want to bring government attention to Gunbroker. But GA is a pro-gun State and sometimes GB customer support (or lack thereof) warrants it.

Internet Theft & Fraud

Each State and most local law enforcement agencies have an internet crime unit. Google the State name and "internet crime" to find the State agencies. Problem with State and local agencies is they are limited by legal jurisdictional boundaries.

The FBI also has an Internet Crime Complaint Center with online reporting.

    https://www.ic3.gov/Home/FileComplaint

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Originally posted by Why Carbines? Why Carbines? wrote:

Personally, I have way better things to do than contact GB or some other auction site every time some self righteous, do-gooder sees an auction with real or imagined issues.


Yet another non-constructive post.
You evidently have the time to make posts with little value and that do not add much to the conversation lately.

I also find your words insulting to the persons that stepped in and did something proactive.

If you got nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all





Edited by Dan Pinto - Apr 25 2022 at 5:57pm
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Originally posted by New2brass New2brass wrote:

Originally posted by Why Carbines? Why Carbines? wrote:

Personally, I have way better things to do than contact GB or some other auction site every time some self righteous, do-gooder sees an auction with real or imagined issues.


Yet another non-constructive post.
You evidently have the time to make posts with little value and that do not add much to the conversation lately.

I also find your words insulting to the persons that stepped in and did something proactive.

If you got nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all






And once again you jump to conclusions of what I am talking about. Did I ever once specifically mention this incident or another like it? And it shouldn't be a surprise to you that there's quite a few self righteous do-gooders in this hobby. Maybe you should finally get to know me instead of damning those who don't act or think like you. And finally, where are all of the other non-constructive posts?
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Forum: Cheers or Jeers
Topic: FYI: Scammer on GB

Originally posted by Why Carbines? Why Carbines? wrote:

Personally, I have way better things to do than contact GB or some other auction site every time some self righteous, do-gooder sees an auction with real or imagined issues.

OK. Typed formats are different than talking in person.  Given the forum and topic of this thread
What are you talking about?

Should this section not exist at all?
When you see someone stealing, what do you do? 
And do you want others to do the same or different? 

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Matt
Maybe you were being rhetorical, but to one of your questions…..of course this Forum and thread is valuable, at least to me and I am sure others who may be a bit too trusting -or new- to recognize a scam and its warning flags (conversely the cheers are good to hear about as well).
What to do with the information is up to the reader and their relative inclination and available time. Somewhere in the spectrum of -
Note and absorb as a lesson learned
Notify others like was done in this thread (thanks)
Notify the sales site.
Notify some official agency.

Bottom line is more information is always better than none
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt_X Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Apr 26 2022 at 10:00pm
Tim,
It was directed at the post immediately above where Why Carbines said people were jumping to conclusions about "what I am talking about".  It seemed to me that his comments were in reference to this thread, or if not, then at least this section of the forum.   But I can't read people's minds so why not ask and maybe clear up a misunderstanding.

If it becomes rhetorical, then so be it. 

I agree 100% with you.  This is a valuable section to me too.
Furthermore what the OP stumbled across in this case is a pretty straightforward attempted theft. 
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