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richg072
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Posted: May 03 2017 at 3:57pm |
What would the average H&R m1 garand field grade go for? I know it's one of those hard to answer, depends question but what's the lowest one would run? I have the chance to grab one for $700 and I can't see it for a couple days but I was thinking at 700 is hard to refuse
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sling00
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The lowest I've seen a Garand go lately was around the $700 mark on the CMP forum. I don't remember if it was Springfield or HRA. It sold quick.
There's several CMP sold Service Grade HRAs on the CMP forum with an asking $1050 to $1150. If the one you're looking at is in decent shape and ready to shoot then $700 sounds like a pretty good deal. Will the seller give you a few days non-firing inspection period for a return or at least give you time to study up on it and answer any questions? Any chance it came from the CMP with a cert?
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BEBIII
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A year ago, I believe "luck of the draw" field grade Garands from CMP went for $630. I think values have moved up a bit since supply has temporarily (?) dried up. There are rumors floating around that a whole bunch are waiting to be repatriated from the Philippians and maybe Korea which could change that dynamic. That being said, I think $700 is a fair price. I'd even be willing to go a bit higher if it had GI wood with the correct cartouches. H & R s are all post -WW II...my preference would be either a Springfield with a serial number below 3,000,000 or a Winchester below 2,400,000 (June 1944 or earlier) that could well have seen action in WW II.
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m1a1fan
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Same here, a Winch or Springfield would be ideal but there is value in an H&R. Might be a little more, probably won't be less. Not sure what the book value says if one is inclined to believe such things.
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David Albert
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At $700, don't hesitate.
If the Filipino Garands come in, I think they won't last very long at all. The Korean Garands would probably quell the market for a while, but the market for Garands, let alone Carbines is white hot. At the NRA Convention in Louisville last May, a well known expert on Garands predicted the CMP supply of them would last another 14 months. I received one of the last ones in late September. They were out of them by the time I received mine. David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com |
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sling00
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If you are interested in the CMP sales then it's a good idea to get all the "requirements" out of the way and have an active account for when they become available. Also the 1911s are still being discussed and there's lots of fingers crossed.
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BEBIII
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The 1911s...Yes, my fingers are crossed.
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tenOCEE
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Watch for a welded receiver. Saw an IHC Saturday for $1100. Then someone noticed the welding. Priced at $800 now. The owner intends to shoot a clip through it before selling. He didn't know it was welded. Also saw a 're-weld' Carbine for $600. It had a type II Winchester barrel band on a commercial barrel.
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sling00
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Good warning! I was aware of the 1903s drill rifles but don't recall much about the Garands and carbines. Are there any descriptions, or even better some pictures, of what these welded repairs/modifications look like? Thanks
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richg072
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Ok thanks for all the info. Found out it was import stamped, CIA. So prob going to pass.
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David Albert
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Being import stamped does not automatically make it a bad deal. I have an import stamped Winchester that my father purchased in the 1980's, and it's a nice Garand.
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As I understand, most all the Garands (and carbines when available) are pretty much returned from a foreign loan. If from the military through the CMP they don't get import marked. If through an importer then they are required to identify them as such. I think the main drawback are the importer's stamp which kind of takes away from the overall appearance but usually this also results in a lower price. In either case these rifles have served their time and are coming home.
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richg072
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It's a HRA serial 5,5... with CIA import stamp on barrel. Worth $700?
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David Albert
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If it doesn't have any major issues, yes, it is worth $700.
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sling00
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Mr. Albert has summed it up well. What does the seller say about how it shoots? Also see if you can get the MW and TE readings.
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I don't have any pics handy. When they're in a stock like at a show where these were, it's difficult to tell. You might see some odd grinding in places you usually don't see it. When removed from the stock it becomes pretty obvious. Discoloration and voids are always present. Both of these were well done and refinished. The coloration still shows through. The Carbine I saw was carried by a regular attendee who always carries long guns for sale. This Carbine he refused to break down at the show and was willing to deal down when he usually holds firm. So it was a tell something was wrong inside like a broken trigger lug leg. Then you could see some of the grinding at the lip that's forward of the bolt. |
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I think if you're patient, you may have another opportunity to buy a "luck of the draw" from CMP. If from CMP, you'll have an honest rifle as described, the price will be right, and your money will help support a great organization. I received two service grade Springfields from CMP (an October '42 and a May '45)...I'm very happy with both. The '42 has a '55 barrel...the '45 could possibly be all original. Both are excellent shooters. The other fun thing about buying "luck of the draw" from CMP is the anticipation, and when the box arrives...it's like Christmas morning.
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richg072
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Yeah I looked into the cmp sales pretty confusing how that all works. I see how you have to register as a "customer " but from what I can tell the second any Garands are listed they are gone. I email them to see if they could explain the process better but got a vague response of there's not a waiting list. But then I see guys posting how they are on a list?
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sling00
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I saw a discussion in one of the CMP forums rumoring there is around 1500 on backorder. If that's the case I suspect not having a waiting list is they aren't taking any new orders, i.e. back order/waiting list until they get these knocked down. My experience from the IHC sales is they end up over selling the available stock but have a good idea of what's still to come. Being decent folks they place you on a back order, or at least that was my experience a couple years ago with the IHCs. I'm fairly certain they know what's still in inventory but they have yet to go through them with the inspections and grading. Once they do they'll post them on the rifle sales page again if they have sufficient inventory. If they are getting low they may only have drawings like the IHCs and carbines. I know my first CMP Garand I ordered from the rifle sales page and it was a 3-6 month waiting time and then another was like a couple days after my order arrived in Anniston. It can be a wild ride with them.
Did you sign up for their newsletter? That's how you get notified for the special sales, like the IHCs and carbines, and ammo. They may also provide sales updates for the Garands since they are getting lots of questions.
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