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    Posted: Jan 09 2023 at 12:38pm
Hello and happy new year everybody,

I just got a new carabine for this new year, and I am in the process of cleaning it.
I will introduce it to you later, and I will probably have a few questions, but I can show you just a pic of the receiver.


This carabine was air dropped in 1944 to the french resistance in the region of the french alps.
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Nice, looking forward to many more pictures.

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I agree with Wayne. Can't wait to see more of it. 
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More pics

the receiver without detachable mainspring as I think it should be for the UN Quality


the inner parts, all QHMC

the recoil plate

the bolt. I am not sure that this is not a replacement part. It carry a N, and I read that NPM sent 500 bolts to UN ????

the extractor is not marked, and the firing pin is marked NLQ

the charging handle

the trigger housing

the US M1 marking

the front sight

the rear sight







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I really am anxious to see the barrel maker and date (if any).
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I think that the barrel is a undated Winchester





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Is it operational?
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Yes but not in semi auto anymore, because of legal restriction.

As it is I only need my shooter's licence (and I can keep it even if I do not renew my licence).

In semi it is restricted, and I should have asked for a permit valid 5 years (but you can renew it as many times as you want).

In France, you can  have 12 restricted guns max.... so I had to make a choice.


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Quality Hardware used barrels from all the Government-Free-Issue barrel providers but it seems Winchester barrels were beginning to be used more frequently during the period 8-43 to 3-44 when the Carbine Expansion Program directed QHMC to obtain additional receivers, bolts and slides from Union Switch and Signal (Ref CCNL 198-2).
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Thanks for the eye candy. Very similar in parts usage to my 4.44 million with the exception of mine having an EM-Q round bolt.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GotSnlB28 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan 09 2023 at 9:15pm
That's the right way to ring in the new year! Very nice. Is there a good story on how you managed to acquire it? Very well kept/preserved.
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Happy New Year to you and congratulations on your new Carbine!
Thanks for posting your photos.
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@GotSnlB28: no nice story sorry. I got it from an antique arms dealer who found it in the French Alps. This is the same dealer where I got my early Inland s/n 250XXX (his shop is a dream come true for any collector, one could stay hours looking... ans everything is just stored on the walls, you can touch/manipulate whatever you want).
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I’m glad I took the time to read your post. I was just getting ready to congratulate you on your new progeny! I guess some guys really love their carbines… Wink

Nice piece! I can’t help but chuckle at the choice of “Un-Quality” for a manufacturer’s mark. Can you imagine being a soldier whose very life depended on an issued un-quality carbine? Thank goodness they didn’t live up to their namesake.
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Nice.....love the history....and it has a combat jump....
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Great find! If only they could talk!? I do have a question.
Do you have a top-down picture of the bolt? Interested in the markings aft of the extractor.
And Happy New Year to you! 
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Unfortunately the extractor is not marked.

Since the first pics I realized that the stock and the handguard are IBM (JL-B for the HG, LW-B for the stock). As it came to me like that I wonder if replacing these parts with QMC marked parts woudl be relevant (moreover, it is difficult to find a high wood stock or a stock without post war refurbishing markings). I think that it will stay "as is"... this is its story.
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Originally posted by Oldboy53 Oldboy53 wrote:

Interested in the markings aft of the extractor.

That marking looks to be the CIP/N marking which is a European small arms safety testing proof.
Discussed in the thread below.
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Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

Originally posted by Oldboy53 Oldboy53 wrote:

Interested in the markings aft of the extractor.

That marking looks to be the CIP/N marking which is a European small arms safety testing proof.
Discussed in the thread below.


You are right and it is mandatory now. I did not mention it, sorry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_internationale_permanente_pour_l%27%C3%A9preuve_des_armes_%C3%A0_feu_portatives
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Originally posted by French addict French addict wrote:

Originally posted by W5USMC W5USMC wrote:

Originally posted by Oldboy53 Oldboy53 wrote:

Interested in the markings aft of the extractor.

That marking looks to be the CIP/N marking which is a European small arms safety testing proof.
Discussed in the thread below.


You are right and it is mandatory now. I did not mention it, sorry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_internationale_permanente_pour_l%27%C3%A9preuve_des_armes_%C3%A0_feu_portatives

It is not exactly mandatory. It is only mandatory in some cases(import for exemple). One case being quite ambiguous…(in your case actually, a B-to-C category change, it is not considered as mandatory by many armourers)
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