Invasion of Arno Italy
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Topic: Invasion of Arno Italy
Posted By: Charles
Subject: Invasion of Arno Italy
Date Posted: Mar 08 2018 at 3:41pm
Invasion of Arno Italy Whats wrong with this picture? ------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA |
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Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Mar 08 2018 at 3:54pm
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Missing barel band. ------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA |
Posted By: usmcdoc67
Date Posted: Mar 08 2018 at 7:41pm
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Other than poor quality picture, an M1A1 paratrooper w/4 rivet hand guard, which in '43 wouldn't be correct. Bindings holding it on? ------------- Glenn |
Posted By: gunsdora
Date Posted: Mar 08 2018 at 9:14pm
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NO BARREL BAND
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Posted By: blackfish
Date Posted: Mar 09 2018 at 4:01am
| For a 1944 campaign, nothing wrong with the picture is obvious to me |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Mar 09 2018 at 9:17am
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Pardon the quality, I only had a smart phone. ------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Mar 09 2018 at 2:10pm
Agree with blackfish, nothing jumps out to me with the carbine either, but the soldiers helmet is on the ground instead of on his grape where it belongs! ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
blackfish wrote:Posted By: cali201
Date Posted: Mar 10 2018 at 6:35am
| although I have poor vision-----no barrel band? Which is why handguard is strapped down. |
Posted By: cali201
Date Posted: Mar 10 2018 at 6:36am
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something weird with the front sight also |
Posted By: Nevinator
Date Posted: Mar 11 2018 at 10:44am
| Looks like the front barrel band is missing and that the hand guard is being held on by a strap that is a sort of modified sling. I also agree with the person who posted about the 4-rivet hand guard not being right. Might have been a field replacement. |
Posted By: Lupus Dei
Date Posted: Mar 11 2018 at 6:36pm
CCNL 361-5  ------------- Louis Dey Admin www.uscarbinecal30.com/forums |
Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Mar 12 2018 at 11:10am
So it should be a high wood stock? ------------- Wayne USMC Retired NRA Life Member |
Posted By: James K
Date Posted: Mar 13 2018 at 11:09am
| What I see is the big hand is to far away from carbine, either signaling to a squad or passing off the carbine to the soldiers face in the upper left hand corner as see another right hand on the pistol grip which is a wire butt stock. I cannot see a barrel band so the strapping maybe holding this carbine together. Can someone identify the helmet? The carbine appears to me as something rebuilt in a Viet Cong field repair station. Fun Pic. |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Mar 14 2018 at 11:27am
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Was there an invasion of Arno? Can you invade a river? Next, was this actual footage or stock footage or reenactment? The picture looks colorized. Was the program about a specific campaign? from Wiki "In the period from June to August 1944, the Allies advanced beyond Rome, taking Florence and closing up on the Gothic Line. This last major defensive line ran from the coast some 30 miles (48 km) north of Pisa" Regular M1 carbines switched to low wood in the 4935xxx area. Greek return M1a1s were observed in the 5.14 to 5.19 range had high wood stocks The 4 rivet handguard was around 5179xxx area. Barrels dating 5-44 were seen in the 5.157 to 5.332 range. Remember barrel date precedes assembly date. So is it reasonable to assume a M1a1 with a 5-44 barrel date or later could have a low wood stock and a 4 rivet handguard? Would it have made it to Italy in the dates of June to August 1944? Operation Grapeshot was a spring 1945 offensive basically pushing north of the Gothic line. Could the footage could also be from that area in that time? Hmm, is that a flip or milled rear sight???
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Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Aug 23 2019 at 12:46pm
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yes Arno. ------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Aug 23 2019 at 1:03pm
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Is the Flip Sight Backward ? Or just the Leaf installed backward? Charlie-P777 ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Aug 23 2019 at 3:54pm
Google "battle OF Arno " AND READ ALL ABOUT IT. ------------- Charles Co B 1st Batl.115 Inf. Reg. 29th. Divi. 4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired Life member NRA |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Aug 23 2019 at 4:27pm
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hmm, my Google Foo in march of 18 had empty results. There are several results now. The pages were created Nov of 18. I will read when I get a chance. I see something with the Buffalo Soldiers.  Check out that CC!
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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Aug 27 2019 at 9:31pm
Anyone ? Is the rear sight or leaf installed backward? I gotta know........ Good post Charles ! Charlie-Painter777 ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Aug 27 2019 at 10:26pm
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Also looking at the picture magnified up near 500% it appears the Barrel Band Spring is missing. Having what looks to be a Wing nut on the right side. Maybe it was an in the field, foxhole or at camp attempt to rig a sling to or to hold the HG in place? GI could have cut down a wing nut and threaded rod from a ammo crate. Duct tape...... Don't let your GI's leave base without it ! Again...... Thanks for the post Charles  CH-P777 ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |
Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Aug 27 2019 at 11:46pm
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Charles posted this with the answer being no barrel band. I noticed different things on different devices. On my phone I believe I see the barrel band and retainer spring. There is some anomaly just aft when band area. Question is why the strap (sling)? If the swivel and screw was missing then I can see this as a field fix for a handguard that pops off. The flip appears to be backwards. No idea if flip or the whole sight. Maybe someone can catch this program and pull pictures digitally? Charles, any idea the title of the program?
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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: Aug 28 2019 at 1:09am
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Thx and Sorry Dan, I never noticed it was a 'Fun Stuff' Post. Have a good week....... Charlie-P777 ------------- Living Free because of those that serve..... |