That's a question that several of us have posed to each other offline. Who has access to all the data sheets and info?

Anything emailed is backed up, so even though you get an error it is still backed up in the club datasheet email. The data sheets are reviewed by two people looking for possible "Featured Carbines"

I also have access but do not have the time to review them. If you want me to look at your specific data sheet please let me know.

EDIT> I see that you've inserted an answer up above now, but it looks confusing and curious to do it that way after the fact.

New2brass wrote: We had an issue with the club email forwarding. This is due to Google and other servers. Bob is also having a separate issue with his email which he is addressing with his server.  Anything emailed is backed up, so even though you get an error it is still backed up in the club datasheet email. The data sheets are reviewed by two people looking for possible "Featured Carbines" I also have access but do not have the time to review them. If you want me to look at your specific data sheet please let me know. If you need something specific let me know and I will forward to Bob via snail mail till we can get him up and running, preferably with a club email. If you can email me directly if you have further questions as this is off topic of the post.

So I sent a PM asking the same question about who are the two people reviewing the data sheets. It's a pregnant question that is impacting people who aren't comfortable submitting data sheets.

Data sheets are reviewed by

Dave Tennant

Ted Sidehamer 

Hard copies are currently being mailed to Bob Eakins, Keeper of the Data Sheets.

Hard copies can be mailed to:

You can also email the Data Sheets directly to me.

Data sheets are used for articles, most notably the manufacture updates which we lay out know usage of parts and where in the timeline.

When someone requests information they are not provided Data Sheets. we do our best to search for an answer to the question.

We never share who submitted the sheet. 

For those who who were members during the paper years will know one of the requirements of membership was to submit data sheets.

Some question how a mixmaster can help. What we can use is the receiver and barrel information as well as looking for odd or unusual parts markings.

This is where is is very helpful to share the exact markings and fonts as best as possible. If the front ring has a serif 1 vs l in the M1 it should be reported as so.

This online format should make it very easy for people to report. 

In addition to reporting your own carbine you can report of submit data sheets on carbines you have observed or see for sale. Of particular interest are Presentation carbines, Lineout/transfer carbines and parts.

There have been many items of interest posted on Facebook pages and elsewhere.  Yet the reporting is almost non existent. Please consider sharing. We cannot do it alone, but as group new discoveries can be found to report on.

There is a hidden post section that does not expose your post should you wish to submit. http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/hidden-submissions_forum90.html" rel="nofollow - (link)

Or it can be emailed or PMed to us.

We can review and then move it to a un-hidden post should you choose.

The reason for a hidden submission works out very well for something we can do an article on.

On the note of articles, we welcome anyone wishing to pen an article.

I hope this answer some questions.

Best, Dan

In years past I began collecting some data sheets for submittal. Some are interesting ones seen but not bought. This Fall I finally submitted two of them as a test. I think if there was a way of the typical member to peruse the majority of that info without the info divulging who submitted it and it protected the final digits of the serial I'd participate and submit many. As it is I don't perceive much benefit aside from a few people who have access to them. If that were to change, maybe it would change my mind.

There are a few active people in my area who have had many, or buy many or see many. They aren't active on any of the sites and can't submit them. Maybe there's an approach in the web based club none of us are considering as a possibility?

For those reading or following this thread:

There is a quid pro quo. 

We provide the forum, publish articles, do spotters reports etc. 

Members are asked to help by being a part of the community and submit data sheets and or report carbine related items. As an added bonus for those that contribute we offer CMP affiliation.

The club used to charge dues and you were asked to submit data sheets and report findings as well as write in about articles if you had an observation.

The dues was basically the cost of printing and mailing. No one was drawing a salary.

Fast forward we are online, we do not charge dues, yet the forum is free for all. There are hosting and web costs. Yet we do not charge dues or membership fees and in case no one noticed, we are advertisement free! It is the generosity of some long time members that keep it going.

Some members like yourself contribute with your knowledge. 

Several take the time to look up and provide answers or help in anyway they could.

The vast majority of members do not take the time to introduce themselves not even properly fill out the registration.  They post nothing nor contribute. 

I am OK with that as maybe once in a while someone will share something of interest.

Several email the club and demand "CMP Affiliation" because they clicked a few buttons to join, yet have no posts, contribute nothing and do not even care about carbines. 

Is it too much to ask for members to submit data sheets?

as to your questions above:

On more than a few occasions we have two or more data sheets that may possibly be the same carbine. By having the full serial number we can reduce the duplication error. If you are uncomfortable then you can use a lower case x for the last two digits. Remember some serial numbers has an X suffix so we need some way to not confuse say a 6 digit with an X from a 7 digit 

The benefit is not for the few people that have access, the benefit is for all when we do a manufacturers update.

The data sheets have been on the internet for years and people love to use them, but not all submit them. One auction I won had a data sheet proudly displayed. The seller never heard of the club.

We have been working on how to do a data sheet online that would go right into a data base. Ideally something that members can access info in serial ranges.

Its a lot of work and will not be done overnight.

But if data sheets and reporting is not flowing in then it is all in vain. 

the big project would be back filling the 40 years of data sheets.

Anyone like doing data input? 

The original Carbine Club was waning and had it's issues with maintenance by the then operators. You could feel it wasn't an active operation before it closed permanently, back when I originally compiled some data sheets that weren't sent in. Two of those sheets done then were just sent in here a couple of months ago. 5 yrs ago I probably paid the CCC membership once and perhaps sent in a sheet to qualify for CMP association. It's not known if that info was sent to CMP.

From reports on websites the original Club (near the end) was wasting any attention it received from fresh membership by failing to communicate timely and delaying updates to CMP for qualifiations for buying. That fostered an air of disorganization and people didn't feel connected. Many just went to the GCA for qualification. Perhaps it had run it's course and the environment changed to where the members weren't interested anymore.

Look, I don't know the players and only Jim Mock's name is evident in research compilation of this website on the research pages--of course the data compiled from the original Club is there too. The fact that I don't know the players should indicate that there's a separation existing. The work Jim has contributed here isn't fathomable, is brilliant and deeply layered. This iteration of a Carbine Club POSTING FORUM has a chance to flourish in an internet environment for certain but something it struggles with is that some of the original Carbine Club contributors won't partake in the operation here. I'm not ignoring the contributors who posted then and are here, but people like Jim Flavin and Brian Quick didn't/don't participate here. Jim always posted on Milsurps. Brian posts on other sites. The openness to posting on the site feels good, but there is growth needed and maturing needed. There's a separation many of us feel and it's not something we are fostering. Quid Pro Quo is something given for something received but is it coming back to those giving?

Regarding the data sheets, I'm confident that the issue preventing me in participating won't be rectified in the short term. I've expressed my desire for the site to grow and have promoted it on other sites and still feel that way. We all know each other well enough to understand our positions. The act of mailing them to Bob directly wouldn't change the ultimate issue when they're turned around and distributed for viewing or even data entry in a database by someone else. It's probably well known that I'm heavily opinionated but also vehemently protective about ethical behavior in the hobby to the point of publicly calling out the abusers. There's some growth that has to happen and it's not just my opinion. Several people have conveyed to me a similar attitude of it feeling like it's an us and them climate with the them being a small number. I wish the best here, and the people who built the original Club aren't the ones conveying this air described mast of them aren't active here from what I know. It won't be changed if it's not discussed. If it's not changed the info won't flow both directions here but will instead flow to other sites like always happens. This is intended as a constructive critique and hope it's received as an opportunity.

Jim, thank you. You always have a tactful and diplomatic candor to your delivery. I can't offer any experience to address the creation of a data management system for the sheets.

Regarding the hats being worn by default, I'm positive that it's a challenge to operate a web site. Though the traffic here (or on any Carbine forum) isn't very high. But I know that when told about some of the trials/challenges on managing it my response was to offer some possible assistance, however it wasn't even acknowledged. That was probably a year ago or more. Very recently Dan asked if I could possibly aid in some minor function to which I responded positively that I'd be agreeable and again there was no further acknowledgement. I don't know,  perhaps that contributes a bit to an alienating perception. For a minute it was like Charlie Brown looking at Lucy holding the football again.  So some of those hats are actually being worn by a decision and choice. I'm positive you wouldn't be aware of these instances. It's not my site. A man can do with it what he chooses.

John, Bob is still with us, alive and well and still working, and still the keeper of the datasheets.

Most people have been submitting datasheets via email to Datasheet@UScarbineCal30.com

If you wish to snail mail datasheets they go to the club address

Can it be done by phone?  Are photos helpful?

thanks,

John

Did the info come through??

John your post was moved to a new thread.

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