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Topic: Club Assistance Saginaw Receivers

Posted By: New2brass
Subject: Club Assistance Saginaw Receivers
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 12:56am

Research Assistance

Saginaw Receivers
3,249,020 thru 3,651,519
5,834,619 thru 6,071,188

We are researching changes in receiver features in an attempt to identify when these changes took place. This also helps to reconstruct some of the shuffling around between the two factories. Much of this information has not been previously requested or reported due to the size limitations of a datasheet.

Your assistance with this research would be very much appreciated.

The answers to the questions that follow and/or pictures can be posted here. Alternatively, the information and pictures can be e-mailed to the following Club e-mail address.

You can also submit a full datasheet. A datasheet can be downloaded and printed http://uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/4/CC_-_DataSheet_rev4__1-1-11.pdf" rel="nofollow - HERE

Please note: if you have previously submitted a datasheet in these serial ranges, we ask that carefully review the information that we are looking for. We will then update the datasheet on file with any new or missing information.

For your convenience: at the bottom of this post is something to help you submit your answers. Simply copy and paste that information into your e-mail or forum post to respond and fill in the information as you read through the questions.

Question #1:

What is the full serial number?

(If you must provide a partial please use two lower case x's for the last two digits. Example: 3250020 would be 32500xx.)

Question #2:

Above the serial number are the letters S and G. What are the characters following each letter if any?

S.G. S'G' or simply SG

Question #3:

Which of the following markings are on the receiver ring?

CAL. .30 Ml

(period after CAL and another preceding 30, Ml font is Sans Serif)

CAL. 30 M1 (Sans Serif Ml)

(period after CAL, no period preceding 30, Ml font is Sans Serif, period following Ml)

CAL. 30 M1 (Serif M1)

(period after CAL, no period preceding 30, M1 font is Serif)

Other?

(please send photo if other)

Question #3A: Is the number 3 Flat or Rounded top?

Question #4:

Rear Tang: is it Wide (left) or Narrow (right)

Question #5:

At the rear of the left side of the receiver there may be a feature unique to Saginaw we refer to as an "ear" (left & center below).

Does your receiver have a rounded ear (left), squared ear (center), or no ear (right)?

Question #6:

There may or may not be letters and/or numbers on the left side of the receiver. If present what are they and where?

Examples include SI or SG. The SG can be 3/16ths (larger) or 2/16ths (small). There may or may not be an additional letter and/or number near the middle of the left side. Please indicate all that are present

Question #7:

If there any markings on the front of the bottom of the receiver, what are they and where?

If present they are usually on or around the trigger housing lug. Examples below are T (left) and G (right)

Question #8:

What is the name of the barrel manufacturer and the date, if present?

Question #9:

Is the rear slide cut was machined in different ways. Is the end of the cut Round or Square?

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/uploads/3657/RecSlideCut.jpg

THANK YOU!

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Answers (copy and paste into your e-mail or forum post before you read the questions. Fill the answers in as you go.)

Question 1: Serial number -

Question 2: Initials above serial number -

Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) -

Question 4: Rear tang -

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail -

Question 6: Front and middle left detail -

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail -

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date -

Question 9: Rear slide cut detail -

Please also see this post for requests of Saginaw numbers in the slingwell:

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/ruth-sg-stock-marked-oi-40a-found-oi-39a_topic5164_page1.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/forum/ruth-sg-stock-marked-oi-40a-found-oi-39a_topic5164_page1.html

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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 9:23am

I'm specifically interested to see reports of others in the 3.6 range (or nearby range) with rounded ear like the one I posted on Milsurps.

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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 10:18am

Question 1: Serial number- 3331435

Question 2: Initials above serial number- SG

Question 3: Front ring details- CAL. 30 Ml. (period after CAL, no period preceding 30, Ml font is Sans Serif, period following Ml)

Question 4: Rear tang- WIDE

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail- NO EAR

Question 6: Front and middle left detail- SG (1/8" high letters)

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail- NONE

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date- IBM

Question 1: Serial number- 3609975

Question 2: Initials above serial number- S’G’

Question 3: Front ring details- CAL. .30 Ml (period after CAL and another preceding 30, Ml font is Sans Serif)

Question 4: Rear tang- NARROW

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail- SQUARE EAR

Question 6: Front and middle left detail- Y

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail- NONE

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date- INLAND 10-43

Question 1: Serial number- 3649600

Question 2: Initials above serial number- S’G’

Question 3: Front ring details- CAL. .30 Ml (period after CAL and another preceding 30, Ml font is Sans Serif)

Question 4: Rear tang- NARROW

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail- SQUARE EAR

Question 6: Front and middle left detail- B

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail- NONE

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date- W

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USMC Retired
NRA Life Member

Posted By: floydthecat
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 11:35am

#1. 3305925

#2. S G

#3. U.S. CARBINE CAL. 30 M1

#4. Wide

#5. No Ear

#6. No Letters

#7. "B" on base of front housing lug

#8. SAGINAW S.G. DIV. GENERAL MOTORS

Undated Long Skirt

edit: Sorry for my confusion, old age, failing memory and poor eyesight. #2 is corrected to read "S G" and not "S.G."

Posted By: blackfish
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 12:25pm

Wow, my favorite block!

SN 5834657

This came into my possession as one of the boltless carbines issued by the CMP. I'm afraid I'm not near enough to it at this point in my life to provide much detail right now (but I will return to this thread by July 4 to provide additional input. It's my M2 shooter and I can foresee a much needed break in routine about then).

It does have an undated Winchester barrel with associated Winchester proof (WP) in addition to what I believe is Saginaw's own proof P based upon both appearance and measurement. When I first got it, I thought replacement, but I'm not so sure anymore.

Only other detail immediately available from my notes on this purchase and relevent to this query right now is that the receiver is "wide tang"

Check back in a month!

Posted By: sling00
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 3:11pm

Question 1: Serial number: 3643791

Question 2: Initials above serial number: S’G’

Question 3: Front ring details: CAL. .30 Ml

Question 4: Rear tang: Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail: Squared ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail: I mid-ways

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail: None

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date: INLAND MFG. DIV. over GENERAL MOTORS, 11-43

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Question 1: Serial number: 3363827

Question 2: Initials above serial number: SG

Question 3: Front ring details: CAL. 30 M1

Question 4: Rear tang: Wide

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail: No ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail: SG at front

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail: Illegible mark.

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date: SAGINAW SG DIV over GENERAL MOTORS, no date

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Question 1: Serial number: 1819689

Question 2: Initials above serial number: S’G’

Question 3: Front ring details: CAL. .30 Ml

Question 4: Rear tang: Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail: Rounded - undrilled (see pic below)

Question 6: Front and middle left detail: P ~1/3 back from chamber

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail: None

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date: UNDERWOOD 8-43

Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 6:12pm

Can I share this request for help to those who may not be members here.....

Over on Milsurps ?

Assuming we could just post the info there? and transfer it here for members there that don't frequent here.

(that make any sense?)

And are we to stay between the posted serial ranges...

Saginaw Receivers
3,249,020 thru 3,651,519
5,834,619 thru 6,071,188 ???

Thx,

Charlie-P777

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Posted By: ACT701
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 7:21pm

Question 1: Serial number - 3363532

Question 2: Initials above serial number - SAGINAW SG

Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) -

U.S. CARBINE

CAL . 30 M1 (Serif)

Question 4: Rear tang - Wide

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - SG (close to barrel)

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - J on trigger housing lug

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW S.G.

GENERAL MOTORS

( No date)

Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 7:52pm

@TenOCEE the findings will be shared

I found your post on Milsurps. If you could fill in the missing information of front ring markings, bottom markings and narrow down the serial numbers it would be appreciated.

@ Painter, We are trying to stay in the specified range as we know the numbers have the mixed markings. If you feel this same will assist in the lower ranges that can also be submitted. Better to look at info then look for it!

So please do share with everyone and anyone.

Hopefully this will also roll into a good reporting for a manufactures update as it has been too long!

Rather than reposting you can send to the email address in the bottom of this post. This way you can ease concerns of those not whishing to have the complete serial number publicly posted. Only Sleepless and myself will have the access for this project. Full data sheets will go to Bob.

Thank you to everyone that has submitted info Thumbs Up

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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 9:05pm

I can track down about 5 of them pretty quickly. Others will take a little bit longer.

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Posted By: painter777
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 9:13pm

I'll start a new topic on Milsurps Monday.

Will pretty much copy and paste the information from this opening topic.

The pictures will help show everyone what we're trying to compare.

CH-P777

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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: May 31 2020 at 10:55pm

1) You'll want to ask if it's a large SG or small SG on side of the receiver.

2) Also, SG receivers seem to read MI. with a dot after the I

3) Some SAG barrels are SAGINAW S G and some are SAGINAW S . G .

Question 1: Serial number -32476XX

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30 MI

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - rounded ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - C

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - no bbl

Question 1: Serial number -32566XX

Question 2: Initials above serial number - SG

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30 MI

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow (yes, narrow)

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No tooling hole

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - none

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - N

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - Saginaw S G

Question 1: Serial number -32624XX

Question 2: Initials above serial number - SG

Question 3: Front ring details- CAL. .30 MI

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No tooling hole

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - none

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - G

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW

Question 1: Serial number -3336122

Question 2: Initials above serial number - SG

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. 30MI.

Question 4: Rear tang - Wide

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - no tooling hole

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - small SG

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - K

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW

Question 1: Serial number -33908XX

Question 2: Initials above serial number - SG

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. 30MI. (I dot)

Question 4: Rear tang - Wide

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - no tooling hole

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - LARGE SG

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - U with a D shaped bottom

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW S.G.

Question 1: Serial number -34870XX

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S.G.

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL.30MI. (I dot)

Question 4: Rear tang - Wide

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - no tooling hole

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - small SG

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW S.G.

Question 1: Serial number -34950XX

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S.G.

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL.30MI. (I dot)

Question 4: Rear tang - Wide

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No tooling hole

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - small SG

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - there's a / but unsure if intentional

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW S.G.

Question 1: Serial number -35429XX

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30MI

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - Squared hole

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - J doubled

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW S G

Question 1: Serial number -35515XX

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30MI

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - squared hole

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - K

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW S.G.

Question 1: Serial number -35576XX

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30 MI

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - squared hole

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - B

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - no bbl

Question 1: Serial number -35898XX

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30MI

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - Squared hole

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - S in middle for an inspector

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - U bbl 1-44

Question 1: Serial number -36079XX

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30MI

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - Squared hole

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - Y

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - U bbl 2-44

Question 1: Serial number -36145XX

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30MI

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - Squared hole

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - none

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - B

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - U bbl 11-43

Question 1: Serial number -36301XX

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30MI

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - squared hole

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - N

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - no bbl

Question 1: Serial number -36343XX

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30MI

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - squared hole

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - N

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - UND 11-43

Question 1: Serial number -36389XX

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30MI

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - Squared hole

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - N

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - Unknown--sold it.

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - IN 8-43

Question 1: Serial number -3639493

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. 30M1 (SERIF)

Question 4: Rear tang - WIDE

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No tooling hole

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - none

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - no bbl

Question 1: Serial number -36394XX

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details (Not mine, but got report of some info - consecutive to above)

Question 4: Rear tang - WIDE

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No tooling hole

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - (unknown)

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - (Unknown).

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - Saginaw bbl

Question 1: Serial number -36509XX

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. . 30MI

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - rounded hole - IP receiver used by S'G'

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - Sort of a D, open on one end

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - no bbl

Not sure I can find more of them.

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Posted By: Charles
Date Posted: Jun 01 2020 at 9:02am

Dan,

My data sheet, prepared by Dave Tenant is available for your project, you have only to look up my post ( The Gift). Serial # 3549164. It falls somewhere in the middle of that first block. I thought it had been submitter but apparently not.

I hope it is helpful to your project.

Best regards,

Charlie

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29th. Divi.
4.2 Heavy Mortar Co Retired
Life member NRA

Posted By: Durango56
Date Posted: Jun 01 2020 at 10:02am

Question 1 5866260

Question 2 S.G.

Question 3 Cal. 30 M1.

Question 4 Wide

Question 5 No ear

Question 6 None

Question 7 K

Question 8 Saginaw S.G. Div

General Motors

Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jun 01 2020 at 12:39pm

@ Charles, Yes we got your data sheet. What is not clear is if there are any side or bottom markings

Questions 6 and 7.

This is one of those things missing on many data sheets and we are unsure how many are void of markings which is easy to miss when not specifically looking for them.

We are getting off to a good start.

For anyone looking for a project we could use a few people data mining Gun Broker for what information there is.

If interested let me know or post here so there is not a duplication of efforts.

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Posted By: jangle
Date Posted: Jun 04 2020 at 10:56pm

1. 3324487

2. SG

3. CAL. 30 MI.

4. Wide

5. No ear

6. SG (1/8")

7. On lug, letter U

8. SAGINAW S.G. DIV.

GENERAL MOTORS--No Date

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: Jun 06 2020 at 10:19pm

Question 1: Serial number -3450661

Question 2: Initials above serial number - SG

Question 3: Front ring details CAL. 30 MI.

Question 4: Rear tang - WIDE

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No tooling hole

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - left front SG

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - no marks
Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - First line, Saginaw S.G. DIV. Second line, GENERAL MOTORS, No date

Posted By: 1989LX
Date Posted: Jun 08 2020 at 4:48pm

I'll add mine:

1. 3627823

2. S'G'
3. CAL. 30 MI
4. Narrow
5. Squared ear
6. N
7. none
8. INLAND MFG. DIV. \ GENERAL MOTORS \ 11-43

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Posted By: 1st M1 88
Date Posted: Jun 10 2020 at 12:07pm

Here is one.

1. 3647924

2. SAGINAW S'G'

3. CAL. .30 MI

4. Narrow

5. Squared ear.

6. H middle

7. None

8. Underwood 11-43

Posted By: AirForceJon
Date Posted: Jun 16 2020 at 10:08am

Answers

Question 1: Serial number -
3646545

Question 2: Initials above serial number -
S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) -
CAL. .30 Ml

Question 4: Rear tang -
Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail -
squared ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail -
N towards middle

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail -
None visalbe

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date -
N/A stripped receiver

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Posted By: Ed_Wyse
Date Posted: Jul 04 2020 at 5:32pm

Question 1: Serial number - 3295039

Question 2: Initials above serial number – SAGINAW SG

Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) – CAL. 30 M1

Question 4: Rear tang - wide

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail – no ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - none

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - none

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date – FA 6544006 11/11 3V-B (I had a Fulton Armory barrel installed after the USGI gas system broke. I know longer know the replaced barrel’s information.)

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Posted By: ncin1911
Date Posted: Jul 06 2020 at 1:04pm

Question 1: Serial number- 36487xx

Question 2: Initials above serial number- S’G’

Question 3: Front ring details- CAL. .30 MI (period after CAL and another preceding 30, Ml font is Sans Serif)

Question 4: Rear tang- NARROW

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail- SQUARE EAR

Question 6: Front and middle left detail- N

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail- NONE

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date- Underwood 11-43

Posted By: OAMAAM68
Date Posted: Jul 27 2020 at 12:10pm

Serial number -

#3249675!A1" rel="nofollow - #3278964!A1" rel="nofollow - #3292573!A1" rel="nofollow - #3343327!A1" rel="nofollow - #3346376!A1" rel="nofollow - #3385047!A1" rel="nofollow - #3492554!A1" rel="nofollow - #3528046!A1" rel="nofollow - #3554851!A1" rel="nofollow - #3612873!A1" rel="nofollow - #3619003!A1" rel="nofollow - #5866834!A1" rel="nofollow -

Initials above serial number -

S.G.

S'G'

S.G.

Front ring details -

CAL. 30 MI. (Sans Serif Ml)

CAL. 30 M1 (Serif M1)

CAL. 30 MI. (Sans Serif Ml)

CAL. 30 MI. (Sans Serif Ml Period after I)

CAL. 30 M1 (Serif M1)

CAL. 30 MI. (Sans Serif Ml Period after I)

CAL. 30 M1 (Serif M1 Period after 1)

CAL. .30 Ml

CAL. 30 M1 (Serif M1 Period after 1)

Rear tang -

Narrow

Wide

Narrow

Wide

Narrow

Wide

Rear left receiver detail -

No Ear

Squared Ear

No Ear

Front and middle left detail -

Large SG

Small SG

none

Receiver bottom detail -

Letter I on Lug

U on Lug

A on Lug

U on Lug

Partial unreadable letter

Partial U (or J)

E on Lug

none

K on Lug

Barrel manufacturer and date -

Rock-Ola double dated 1-43 and 2-43

Saginaw

Underwood 8-43 replacement

Saginaw

Underwood 12-43

Underwood 11-43

Saginaw

Posted By: Nevinator
Date Posted: Jul 28 2020 at 2:29pm

Question 1: Serial number- 33345xx

Question 2: Initials above serial number- SG

Question 3: Front ring details- CAL. .30 MI (period after CAL and no period preceding 30, Ml font is Sans Serif)

Question 4: Rear tang- WIDE

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail- NO EAR

Question 6: Front and middle left detail- SG

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail- Letter J on Lug

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date- SAGINAW SG DIV

GENERAL MOTORS

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Retired LEO
VFW Life Member
NRA Life Member

Posted By: Bigheavy31
Date Posted: Sep 06 2020 at 11:10pm

Hello- Question- If my S’G’ falls between these serial ranges- is it assumed that these features are potentially present, but don’t indicate sharing of receivers between the Grand Rapids and Saginaw Plants? My rifle has several of the inconsistencies listed, but I was wondering if / where it fits in. Apologies if this info isn’t known yet/ or if at all.

Posted By: norwich93
Date Posted: Oct 20 2020 at 8:39pm

Forgot to ask about the receiver cut on the right side, semi-circle or square cut.

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Posted By: kar6666
Date Posted: Oct 24 2020 at 3:30pm

I have been in and out of M1 carbines since the late 70s and I don't remember ever seeing a 58 or 6 mil Saginaw M1 Carbine. What is the highest serial number reported in that block? I am sure it is posted in the Carbine Club Newsletters but I don't have them handy anymore. There must not have been a lot of them manufactured.

Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Oct 25 2020 at 6:02pm

@ bigheavy, as far as ordnance was concerned Saginaw was one entity with two factories.

It is theorized the first delivery of SG marked receiver were delivered out the the GR plant.

Later there were receivers sent to GR to have the serial numbers applied.

There is much more to the full story and why we are looking closer at the certain serial number ranges to establish what may have actually taken place.

@ kar, the highest serial was reported as 5,87x,xxx

that information as well as information of some of the SG factory receiver questions stems mostly from CCNL 357 which 19 pages were devoted to serial numbers and anomalies.

Everyone, If you see a Saginaw anywhere you can report this information.

If you see it at an auction site and do not want to transpose the information please post or drop me an email or PM with a link and I will take care of the rest.

on the note of serial numbers, do not forget the "Serial numbers to look for and report"

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Posted By: Smokpole
Date Posted: Oct 25 2020 at 6:20pm

Are you interested at all in Inland receivers made by Saginaw?

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Posted By: JohnnyI19
Date Posted: Nov 22 2020 at 2:42pm

Question 1: Serial number - 3616618

Question 2: Initials above serial number – SAGANAW S’G’

Question 3: Front ring details – CAL. .30 MI

Question 4: Rear tang – Narrow with possible vertical mark on side next to hole

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail – Rounded Ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - N

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail – N/A (none)

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date – SAGINAW S G. DIV

GENERAL MOTORS

Question 9: Rear slide cut detail – Square at rear, rounded towards front

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Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Nov 22 2020 at 5:20pm

@ Smokepole, I missed you post. We are only looking for receivers used at the Saginaw plants at this time, but thank you for asking.

@ Johnny, Are you sure your left rear receiver detail is a rounded ear?

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Posted By: JohnnyI19
Date Posted: Nov 22 2020 at 8:40pm

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Posted By: tenOCEE
Date Posted: Nov 22 2020 at 8:54pm

Square corner to the ear is the meaning there. Thank you. Under IP they ground the corner rounded to follow the circular tooling hole.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: Jan 27 2021 at 2:29pm

Question 1: Serial number - 3650096

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) - period after cal and another before 30

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow- No markings, not sure it is original

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - Squared ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - B in the middle

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - None

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - Inland 3-43

Question 9: Rear slide cut detail - Square

Posted By: mooreguncrazy
Date Posted: Mar 12 2021 at 11:57am

Hello, I'd like to add my Saginaw to your research.

Question #1 Serial #3222275

Question #2 S' G'

Question #3 U.S. Carbine Cal. .30 M l (no serifs)

Question #4 Narrow

Question #5 Rounded with hole

Question #6 Upside down 5 middle left side

Question #7 None found

Question #8 Underwood 12-43

Question #9 Square

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 31 2021 at 8:01pm

I have one of the rifles in question. Are you still looking for info?

Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jun 01 2021 at 9:04am

Yep, Still looking for info!

Guys if you see these at auction or for sale you can submit that info as well!

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Posted By: 11pennreserve
Date Posted: Jun 25 2021 at 9:38pm

1. S/N 3,496,712

2. S.G.

3. CAL. 30 MI. (Sans serif M1, period after CAL, no period preceding 30, period after M1)

4. Wide tang

5. No ear

6. Small SG on left side front (2/16”), no other letters

7. Capital “O” on bottom of trigger housing lug

8. Underwood 3-44 barrel

9. End of rear slide cut is round

(This was one of the Midway USA Italian carbines.)

Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jun 25 2021 at 9:58pm

thank you,

We are also looking for a little info on the Italian carbines

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: Aug 03 2021 at 9:32pm

Question 1: Serial number - 3254748

Question 2: Initials above serial number - SG

Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) - CAL. .30 MI

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - No letters or numbers

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - J on lug

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW S.G. DIV.

GENERAL MOTORS

Question 9: Rear slide cut detail - Round

Posted By: RWS-67
Date Posted: Aug 06 2021 at 9:18am

SAGINAW RECEIVER QUESTIONS: #1 3470733 2 SAGINAW S.G. 3 CAL. 30 M1. 4 WIDE TANG- ROUND SLIDE CUT 5 NO EAR RECEIVER 6 SMALL SG 1/8 LEFT REC. 7 BOTTOM TRIG. HSG. LUG MARKED A 8 BARREL SAGINAW S.G. DIV. (NO DATE)

Posted By: inlandm1
Date Posted: Aug 28 2021 at 1:38am

I bought this carbine recently from Gunbroker. Here is the info you want:

Question 1: Serial number - 34719xx

Question 2: Initials above serial number - SG

Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) -

U.S.CARBINE

CAL.30MI. (appears as shown, no spaces)

Question 4: Rear tang - wide

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - no ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - front left: SG (2/16ths), no other marks on left side

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - serif A stamped on trigger housing lug

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - UNDERWOOD 7-43 with badly stamped flaming bomb below and

5/32 P below that but visible with type III barrel band, short skirt. The middle of the word UNDERWOOD is barely visible but the date stamp is sharp. The turning marks on the barrel are still visible.

Question 9: Rear slide cut detail - round

Not much finish left on this old soldier. It has a Winchester stock with an RA rebuild mark that probably predates the .U. rebuild mark on the left side. Has a san serif P (3/8in) on the front of the grip, and a very small 1 stamped on the bottom of the grip.

It also probably got the pits in its barrel from storage with the Israeli military as it has the serial number stamped into the left side of the stock under the comb. Also courtesy of one of the rebuilds, has an Inland trigger housing with mixed parts.

Hope this helps.

Posted By: inlandm1
Date Posted: Aug 28 2021 at 7:33pm

Here is the information from my second Saginaw SG carbine.

Question 1: Serial number - 32954xx

Question 2: Initials above serial number - SG

Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) - U.S.CARBINE (there is a space after CAL.)

CAL. 30M1

Question 4: Rear tang - wide

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - no ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - nothing on left side of rcvr.

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - nothing on bottom

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW S.G. DIV 1/8in P - 6 inches from muzzle

GENERAL MOTORS no date

Question 9: Rear slide cut detail - round

This one has Arlington Ordnance import mark under barrel.

It is in an m2 stock with no markings and white paint pen numbers on both sides of the stock. Don't know where it came from.

It does still retain a SG trigger housing.

I hope this furthers your research efforts.

Posted By: carlvik
Date Posted: Oct 23 2021 at 8:01pm

Here is my M1 Saginaw Carbine information!

Question 1: Serial Number - 3554194

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S' G'

Question 3: Front ring details - U.S. CARBINE

CAL. .30 Ml

Question 4: Rear Tang - Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - Squared Ear Note; Area under the rear sight is

a Hardness Punch Mark

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - No Markings on the front R stamped near middle

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - No marks found

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW S' G' D V

GENERAL MOTORS

No Date found

P stamped 7-1/8"s top from the muzzle

Question 9: Rear slide cut detail - Square

Additional request of Saginaw numbers in slingwell: There are no markings at all anywhere on the

stock nor hand-guard. I am sure the woodwork is

after market. Cry

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Posted By: carlvik
Date Posted: Oct 23 2021 at 8:40pm

Question 2: Initials above serial number - I posted S' G'

On my receiver above the serial number is stamped the following

SAGINAW S' G'

3554194

I hope this clears up the 2nd question.

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Posted By: stjohnmc
Date Posted: Dec 07 2021 at 5:28am

Question 1: Serial number - 3576699

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) - period after CAL and another preceding 30, Ml font is Sans Serif

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - squared ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail – None detected

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail – None Detected

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date – Buffalo Arms, 7-1943

Question 9: Rear slide cut detail – Squared

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Posted By: PingCMP
Date Posted: Dec 23 2021 at 5:59pm

Here's the requested data from my S.G., the first original carbine I owned. It was in the same family for 70 years, brought back from WWII by the seller's late father-in-law & used for hunting by the late mother-in-law, then his late wife. I believe it to be 100% original, and it has a highwood, oval cut Trimble to S.G. subcontract stock.

1. 33410xx

2.   SG
3.   CAL. .30 Ml
4.   Wide
5.   No ear
6.   1/8''
7.   No marks present
8.   SAGINAW SG DIV. GENERAL MOTORS

9. Round

Posted By: 35 Whelen
Date Posted: Dec 30 2021 at 8:00pm

Question 1: Serial number - 1827397

Question 2: Initials above serial number - SG

Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) - CAL. .30 MI

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - Round

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - ᒋ

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - None

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - BA No date

Question 9: Rear slide cut detail - Square

Posted By: 35 Whelen
Date Posted: Dec 30 2021 at 8:05pm

Question 1: Serial number - 3632622

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) - CAL. 30 MI.

Question 4: Rear tang - Wide

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - None

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - T

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - Inland 11-43

Question 9: Rear slide cut detail - Round

Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Dec 30 2021 at 8:24pm

35 Whelen, please check what you posted, it seems you may have mixed up some information on the two you posted.

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Posted By: 35 Whelen
Date Posted: Dec 30 2021 at 8:29pm

New2brass wrote:

35 Whelen, please check what you posted, it seems you may have mixed up some information on the two you posted.

Well, I suppose it's possible, but I disassembled my two Saginaw carbines one at a time and recorded the information from each. Can you elaborate, please?

Posted By: 35 Whelen
Date Posted: Dec 30 2021 at 8:51pm

New2brass wrote:

35 Whelen, please check what you posted, it seems you may have mixed up some information on the two you posted.

Does this help?

Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jan 01 2022 at 1:14pm

Your 1.82 is a grand Rapids made receiver. <aybe take a better look from the side to see if the primes are present

Saginaw facility sent receivers to the Grand Rapids facility in late 43

Yours is one of those Saginaw facility made receivers.

The front ring when reported was with a serif 1.

Can you check and also is the 3 in 30 rounded or flat top. Post a pic if possible.

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Posted By: 35 Whelen
Date Posted: Jan 01 2022 at 4:18pm

New2brass wrote:

Your 1.82 is a grand Rapids made receiver. <aybe take a better look from the side to see if the primes are present

Saginaw facility sent receivers to the Grand Rapids facility in late 43

Yours is one of those Saginaw facility made receivers.

The front ring when reported was with a serif 1.

Can you check and also is the 3 in 30 rounded or flat top. Post a pic if possible.

Yeah, I saw the serial number range you were looking for, after the fact. My apologies, feel free to delete the post with the 1.82 example, or make it so I can delete it and keep your thread as clean as possible.

I assume you're wanting more info from the 3.63 Saginaw. Here are a couple of photos. If you can make my original post editable, I can move these photos there so as not to clutter your thread.

Please let me know if you need more specific info. As to "primes", I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but there are no more marks on the receiver other than what I've posted.

Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Jan 01 2022 at 5:04pm

Prime more correctly should be an apostrophe S'G'.

If there are none then this is of interest as a possible roll die error.

will condense post when I can and followup if any other info is needed.

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Posted By: Jackson
Date Posted: Feb 23 2022 at 3:56pm

I just looked at the data sheet and am amazed at the details that are listed.

I had NO idea what amount od work and research has been done on the Carbines.

Now I’m sorry I didn’t buy one years ago so I could have participated in all that has been done

Now I can’t wait to get my arbine from my FFL as soon as it arrives so I can start filling out a data sheet on my Carbine.

How can I determine if a data sheet may already exist for my serial number?

Posted By: Bluemalinois
Date Posted: Aug 05 2022 at 5:39pm

Question 1: Serial number - 3333436

Question 2: Initials above serial number - SG

Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) - San Serif MI

Question 4: Rear tang - Wide

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No Ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - SG

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - K

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SG

Question 9: Rear slide cut detail - Round

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Posted By: Oldboy53
Date Posted: Oct 21 2022 at 8:22pm

Late to the game.

1. Serial Number- 3514745

2. Initials- S.G.

3. Front Ring- CAL. 30 M1.

4. Rear Tang- Wide

5. Rear Left Detail- No ear, 1/4"

6. Front/Mid Left- None

7. Rec. Bottom- M on lug

8. Barrel Man/Date- Underwood 6-44

9. Rear Slide Cut- Round

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: Feb 06 2023 at 2:22pm

Question 1: Serial number - 3514899

Question 2: S. G.

Question 3: U.S. Carbine Cal. 30 M1

Question 4: Wide

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - No tooling hole

Question 6: No Letters

Question 7: T
Question 8: S.G. DIV. GENERAL MOTORS

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: Feb 24 2023 at 8:35pm

Question 1: Serial number - 3644610

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G'

Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) - U.S. Carbine Cal. 30M1(serif)

Question 4: Rear tang - wide

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - no ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - none

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - S

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - Saginaw S.G. Div.

General Motors no date

Question 9: Rear slide cut detail - round

Posted By: New2brass
Date Posted: Feb 26 2023 at 10:29am

Anthony and Charles, added to survey, thank you.

Charles, is the 3 on the front ring flat topped?

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Posted By: Marty Black
Date Posted: Feb 26 2023 at 9:55pm

I've got a SG that I can contribute data on. This is a Navy "white bag" carbine that I picked out for myself while volunteering at CMP.

Question 1: Serial number - 5861160

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S.G.

Question 3: Front ring details (use a capitol i for sanserif one) - CAL. 30 M1. (serifed 1, period)

3a. flat top 3

Question 4: Rear tang - wide

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - no ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - no markings left side

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - partial single marking on lug, just a straight line

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - SAGINAW S.G. DIV GENERAL MOTORS

Question 9: Rear slide cut detail - round cut

Regards, mb

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: Feb 28 2023 at 5:40pm

Yes, it's flat topped.

Posted By: Bkell3565
Date Posted: Apr 20 2023 at 7:09pm

Question 1: Serial number - 3478800

Question 2: Initials above serial number - SG

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL.30MI. (flat top 3)

Question 4: Rear tang - wide

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail - no ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail - large font SG at front

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail - illegible on lug (could be part of a 7 or L, looks like only half strike)

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - new manufacture (Fulton Armory)

Question 9: Rear slide cut detail - square

Posted By: sr4440
Date Posted: Apr 21 2023 at 7:04am

#1. 361474X

#2. S'G'

#3. Cal. .30 Ml

#3A. Round

#4. Narrow tang

#5. Square ear

#6. B

#7. None

#8. Underwood 5-43

#9. Square

Posted By: Dan Pinto
Date Posted: Apr 21 2023 at 12:20pm

Items added to the database, thank you

@Bkell, are you sure on item #9?

Posted By: Bkell3565
Date Posted: Apr 21 2023 at 12:42pm

Sorry, it's round. Got it confused Embarrassed

with my NPM.

Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: Jun 07 2023 at 1:54pm

Question 1: Serial number - 1873739

Question 2: Initials above serial number - S'G1 (yes, I see it is supposed to be S'G' but I am certain is a 1 just above and right of where the G is.

Question 3: Front ring details - CAL. .30MI (Round top)

Question 4: Rear tang - narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail – Square ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail – small v on the left side, center of the reciever

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail – None visible

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date - Underwood 9/44

Question 9: Rear slide cut detail - square

Posted By: Chas100
Date Posted: Feb 23 2024 at 12:44pm

I got this Saginaw from the CMP in 2016 I believe. It’s been heavily reparked so some numbers, letters or markings may be gone or hard to make out.

1- 3584427
2- S’G’
3- CAL. .30 Ml   There is an E in front of this
3A- I can’t make that part of the 3 out
4- Narrow
5- no ear
6- Y very well struck lower middle of the receiver
7- no markings I can see
8- INLAND MFG DIV
    GENERAL MOTORS
       10/43
9- square

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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Feb 23 2024 at 1:22pm

@Chas100, are you sure about #4 "narrow" and #5 "no ear"?

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: Feb 23 2024 at 3:18pm

I have s Saginaw # 3549164 that would have gone through the E P plant as would yours

It’s a great shooter.

Posted By: Chas100
Date Posted: Feb 23 2024 at 7:58pm

W5USMC
I will get it back out tomorrow and recheck it. I used the forum survey pictures as reference.

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Posted By: Chas100
Date Posted: Feb 24 2024 at 10:43am

I reviewed it and it’s #4 narrow and #5 no ear

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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Feb 24 2024 at 11:05am

Chas, that is a square ear. See page 1.

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Posted By: Chas100
Date Posted: Feb 24 2024 at 6:38pm

You are correct !! Sorry about that. I took the pictures this morning to be sure.
#4 is narrow correct ?
Thank You

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Posted By: W5USMC
Date Posted: Feb 24 2024 at 7:24pm

Yes, #4 narrow.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: Mar 06 2024 at 5:30pm

Question 1: Serial number – 3624913, both “3”s flat topped

Question 2: Initials above serial number – S’G’

Question 3: Front ring details – CAL. .30 MI, round top 3

Question 4: Rear tang - Narrow

Question 5: Rear left receiver detail – Squared Ear

Question 6: Front and middle left detail – No markings on front left, “N” marking near middle

Question 7: Receiver bottom detail – No Markings

Question 8: Barrel manufacturer and date – INLAND/10-43

Question 9: Rear slide cut detail - Square

AIrborne,

Mark