Very early I cut oiler?

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   Just a heads up, in my searching
for oilers I came across a listing for what was described as a very early I cut
oiler for a carbine.  The description was based on Larson’s
 M1
Carbine Comprehensive Guide.  With
the help of CCNL’s #5 and Marty’s article in #133 I was able to identify it was actually made for the M2 Hyde-Inland sub machine gun.  In summary for those who haven’t seen the
article, these guns had a short duration in 1942-1943 and cancelled after
adoption of the M3 "Grease Gun" in 1943.  With that info I found them for sale at elsewhere at a more reasonable price and figured I might as well get one for show and tell.   Larson’s book stated there were reports of
some being marked IS and by golly this one is. 

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sling00 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Hard Corps Joined: Apr 21 2016 Location: Tennessee Status: Offline Points: 941	Post Options Post Reply Quote sling00 Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Topic: Very early I cut oiler? Posted: Mar 10 2017 at 5:23pm
	Just a heads up, in my searching for oilers I came across a listing for what was described as a very early I cut oiler for a carbine. The description was based on Larson’s M1 Carbine Comprehensive Guide. With the help of CCNL’s #5 and Marty’s article in #133 I was able to identify it was actually made for the M2 Hyde-Inland sub machine gun. In summary for those who haven’t seen the article, these guns had a short duration in 1942-1943 and cancelled after adoption of the M3 "Grease Gun" in 1943. With that info I found them for sale at elsewhere at a more reasonable price and figured I might as well get one for show and tell. Larson’s book stated there were reports of some being marked IS and by golly this one is.

Marty Black Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Editor in Chief Emeritus Joined: Dec 30 2015 Location: Pismo Beach, CA Status: Offline Points: 100339	Post Options Post Reply Quote Marty Black Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Mar 10 2017 at 7:12pm
	Interesting...There were a couple reports of those T-top prototype oilers in early Carbine Club newsletters, but I had never seen one myself. The ones reported were unmarked, and never - to our knowledge - used on production guns. The generic IS marking didn't happen until spring 1943 or so, after International Silver asked the Ordnance Department to permit this. 1942 and early 1943 oilers were blued/dulite and marked for the manufacturer - II, IW, IN, IQ, IR, ISP, IN. Regards, MB
	Marty Black

David Albert Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Hard Corps Status Quo Challenger Joined: Dec 27 2015 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 1005	Post Options Post Reply Quote David Albert Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Mar 10 2017 at 11:34pm
	I have a friend who has an M2 Hyde Submachine Gun. I wonder if he has an oiler... I also own the original patent paperwork for one of Hyde's earlier projects, the Hyde Model 35 Submachine Gun. Here's a link to an article I published about the weapon in 2006, in Small Arms Review Magazine, if anyone has any further interest in Hyde's work. https://www.smallarmsoftheworld.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=1697&CFID=2691852&CFTOKEN=70580873&jsessionid=8430c8e5e7753c108162213d62647f667b19 David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com
	NRA Life Member Past Pres., The American Thompson Association Amer. Society of Arms Collectors OGCA/TCA/Carbine Club/GCA/IAA SAR Writer Author - The Many Firearm Designs of Eugene Reising Eagle Scout

RedSpecial Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List On Point Joined: Apr 03 2016 Location: PBC, FL Status: Offline Points: 124	Post Options Post Reply Quote RedSpecial Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Mar 11 2017 at 7:23am
	I found a couple of those, bought them for no reason thought I may fit in th I-cut stock, but they don't. https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=1386&idcategory=0
	-Neil

sling00 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Hard Corps Joined: Apr 21 2016 Location: Tennessee Status: Offline Points: 941	Post Options Post Reply Quote sling00 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Mar 11 2017 at 8:26am
	That’s where I bought mine. As you found out first-hand, Larson’s M1 Carbine Comprehensive Guide, is wrong about these being for the I cut carbine stocks. Mine appears to have the flat rubber gasket. Just wondering, what gasket is in yours and is any marked IS?

Why Carbines? Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Hard Corps Joined: Dec 27 2015 Location: Tennessee Status: Offline Points: 883	Post Options Post Reply Quote Why Carbines? Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Mar 11 2017 at 8:58am
	Larson's book is best used as a doorstop in my opinion. While I can't say it's totally factually incorrect, it has more than enough misinformation in it to dismiss it for anything other than a source of pretty pictures.